. . . Or another way to look at it is . . . you're SO comfortable with yourself that you do what ever it is that you want to do for FUN. That's all there is to it. This particular game is better suited for the club environment where everything is just a fantasy anyhow. How do you dress when you go out? How do you know that those blue jeans are YOU? How do you know that "black pants" are YOU?

Who are you? Black pants, white a shirt and a guy who asks, "May I have your opinion?" - Does this define YOU? Blue pants? Green pants? "Do I look like a drug dealer to you?"

And if you have defined yourself . . . will you then stick to it forever? Are you the black pants, white shirt guy forever?

The only Zen you can find on the tops of mountains is the Zen you bring up there. ~Robert M. Pirsig

Let's just hope there is Zen in black pants and a white shirt . . . and a non-gay attitude.

Ok woman's POV:

On first read my thought was that this was weird, why would I be attracted to a gay guy? But then I thought about it a bit, and the little bit of fine-tuning that occurred in the thread, from acting gay to acting "possibly sexually ambiguous" and I changed my mind--it could work, for the following reasons. First, by being possibly gay (but the girl doesn't know for sure) you've created intrigue, a mystery, and we all hate not knowing something. Second, it's sort of a playing hard-to-get--you're there but you might be unattainable, which makes you more desireable. Third and most importantly, the way the plan was laid out you remain unapologetically sexual throughout the entire encounter--without this you'd just end up with a friend. If the woman is thinking that you are possibly gay, she will expect a lot more physical contact, which makes the kino escalation not only easier, but expected. It's sort of a sneaky thing.

My real-life experience: I never dated a gay guy, but I did date someone who long after we broke up (but were still friends) did some "experimenting". It didn't freak me out, what I found appealing was that it showed that he was a very sexually open, willing-to-experiment, willing to feel and confident kind of guy, which was pretty hot


Interesting.

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Acting gay, it can be helpful, but when it is too much?

I think that sometimes, when you start writing something you need to draw the line.

Some (most) of the guys here dont know that people do a lot of crazy shit to get laid. They spend a lot of money, and put a lot of effort on it. And thats just the non-pua world (gyms, hair dressers and plastic surgeons, all they get their share of that). Aspiring puas can do even crazier shit, just because they are more likely to be desperate and they would try anything.

Sometimes I think, what would a newbie do after reading this shit?

I have a lot of inffluence on people. Sometimes, just joking I say "we should do this" and its scary how some of my friends start doing it right away. After a couple of my friends got seriously injured jumping into a pool from the second floor, I started controlling what I say to keep people safe.

So, you are telling guys that acting a little bit gay is helpful (at least for you). Then you are reccomending people to act gay (at least a little bit). Since one of the things that some (most) of the guys here lack is common sense, could you please ilustrate us on when you are acting too gay and you are gonna get beaten up or picked up by some dude?

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Teasing is a battle plan for what Shakespeare called “the merry war.”

Yes, it might require alot of inner game to pull it through but is it the way in it self to achieve that inner peace and mentality?

If i act to be something which i aint, than doesent this make me a guy who is seeking validation? Seeking approval among others because im affraid to show the real me?

For example, its not that uncommon that a real gay guy is hiding his sexual interests toward guys because its not " socially accetable ". He is ACTING to be a straight guy so his friends, parents etc wouldnt know who he really is. So, a gay guy is acting to be a straight guy because he is affraid of something. Does this make him happy from the inside? Does this make him one with himself? No. Why? Because thats not who he is. He has to act and cannot show the real " me ". He is living a life in someone elses shoes. But what if his parents and friends approve him as that " gay guy ". Wouldnt you agree that he is much more happier person now than before due to the fact that he can drop that mask of his?

Now the guestion is:
Why the hell should i act to be a gay guy if a gay guy aint happy acting a straight guy?! There is a contradiction. Can you see it?

A gay guy aint happy because he has to act a straight guy. He wants to be HIMSELF!

Why should i act to be a gay guy if thats not me?

You are the anwser in it self!

[ Johnny B ]

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What i wear is irrelevant. Whether im naked or not, it shouldnt affect my inner piece if i really am one with my self. Do i feel different from the inside when i go to shower naked? Or do i feel different from the inside when im wearing a towl after the shower if i accept the inner me?

What i wear doesent define my inner core. Its the feeling of being one with the universe and accepting me as a person even if im standing in a dark room. Wearing clothes or not.

[ Johnny B ]

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How is the OP supposed to tell you that in detail? Some of my mates hate gays and look down upon them even if they like them and thenfind out they're gay; others are completely comfortable with them and understand that gays don't choose to be. It's who you are.

People take advice at their own risk.

I actually think the OP laid it out pretty well even if it is a dubious plan to me - I think being metro is enough without acting gay.

Obviously you know you're acting too gay when you pull other guys but other than that what else can be said?

Amador, were your friends drunk when they jumped off the second floor? If so, it's their own fault and they probably would have done something equally as stupid regardless of what you said. If they weren't, they lack common sense.

So . . . clothing doesn't affect your inner peace but "acting" gay for a night does? How about acting silly? Will this unsettle your inner peace? Well, I guess I can scratch you out for our annual 70's party. You'd probably make a pretty boring disco queen.

Why would you get beaten up by some random dudes for chatting with women? Why would you get "picked up" by dudes when you're straight?

Don't you guys have any gay friends?

I'm beginning to see why some of you are so uptight with this little routine. Guys . . . this is NOT "gay". This is a stereotypical Hollywood gay. Doing this will get you beaten up by gay guys.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYaHHjvuYqk[/youtube]

Words can't describe how much i hate this post this is the worst Idea I've ever seen. Trying to convince guys to act like sissies in order to sneak their way into a woman's pants thats taking it too far.

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For my dear and sweet Kasabi:

I know, that you know what im saying so i dont bother to qualify myself to you anymore.
If dancing around the subject is the only source of erection to you than please dont be affraid to drop a PM.
After all, its not that uncommon problem among men when they are getting close to their 40s.

[ Johnny B ]

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^ I know what you're saying but I don't think you know what you are saying. I offered a thought for you to ponder. Instead of answering with the obvious answer that you and I both know to be true, you've fallen back to your ego and decided to pull a number from the playground like many unsettled young people in this forum. I'd expect something like this from them. From a guy who seems to have studied at least a few hours on the topic, I'd expect more.

To the rest. Guys . . . this is just silly little game. What do you do in a day? What do you do in a month? What do you do in a life time? Have some fun.

It's incredible to me that some of you are throwing a hissy fit over a "routine" when so many here demonstrate over, over, and over again that they behave even MORE WUSSY than the "Hollywood gay" example above simply by habit. By this, I mean that it's not an effort for fun, it's not an effort to improve, and it's not even the "walk up the mountain". It's a concentrated effort to really, really, really suck and then really, really suck some more.

Don't worry . . . you're not a faggot! Really!!!

Please save the homophobic comments for in private. Please see your previous warning. -Hobbit


unless u act gay naturally like lets say, sinn and mehow. you dont need to act like a butt pirate

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Give me this question in one sentence so i can ponder it through. If possible i would also like to see you writing what im really trying to say.
Just so i can develope as a person.
Turning an assumption into a fact is stereotypeing. This is you throwing the same rock back that hitted your shield.
My opinions and messages are effecting the way you write. So your anwser to my " insult " is you saying im acting like a " wussy " and that its my " habit ". So if you dont actually know me in a real life, its just you making assumptions toward me because you as a person doesent have any idea who i really am.
Its just you stereotypeing me by useing my few posts.
So if my last " insulting " post makes you write assumptions toward me and than serving those as facts, than aint that just you responding back through your ego?
Aint that just you throwing that same stone back at me?
If so, who can judge who and why?

I admit that you were right. I got frustrated when you started to dance around the subject eventough i thought i made myself clear.
I know that you are usually writing posts to question peoples " herited " beliefs so that they would observe them better in a way to actually understand WHY they think this way.
I guess i lost this mentality in the last post due to my fustration and ego.

[ Johnny B ]

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Awesome thread!

I've been thinking about posting something like this for some time.

In fact, I saw a dude doing exactly this some night in the club. I thinking he was not acting, but that was how he was.
Girls would get attracted to him and think "wow... he's hot! It's a shame he's gay... but oh so cute..." and by the time I'd see he'd be making out with these girls.
He'd get away with ass slap and stuff all the time and this would build tons of sexual arousal.
This works, but you have to be REALLY congruent with it.

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