Ok so my brother is 25 and is horrible with women. He thinks God is just gonna give him the woman of his dreams without him really doing anything, "if it's meant to be, then it's meant to be and will just happen." He is so stubborn and will not listen to my advice, he thinks it's all deceitful and wonl't help him with relationships and qaulity women.
I've even tried to frame it as just dating advice and bettering yourself as a man.(not bragging, having standards, leading, body langauge...)
His major problem is he is so beta and uptight, "the nice guy", a complete push over and suck up. He's been in love with this one gorgeous classy christian girl forever.
I know more then anything these kind of women want nice guy, but an alpha man. The kind of girl he wants will never be attracted to a beta even thou they are both christians. So does anyone know some real good material thats focus is not sexual and gentle to a stubborn christian person. Maybe a christian pua who knows a great book by a christian man that will help him learn to be alpha?

"and he will find out the flaws of his life on his own"


-Teh Book of Jav.

that is hard to deal with, iv seen it time and time again not necassarily with hardcore christians but some guys with major oneitis. i had major oneitis and one point in time and it took myself and my bad choices to notice it. might be the only way for him to notice as well, wish you could show this guys the life you live in your mind dont you?

mR.e

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dont even think just do it!

Alright, we have all seen this time and time again on the forum and with our own friends. The thing of it is...even if you do convince him by some weird coincidence. If he is not "committed" to learning this stuff then it won't do him any good anyways. It takes a lot to push yourself through AA, Kino escalation, etc.

This is a lot of work, and if someone is not committed they aren't going to the get the results they want and they aren't going to be around for very long. You've opened the door to help him but only he can walk through it.

If that's what he believes then there isn't much you can do man, sorry.

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Been around the world twice, Talked to everyone once...

i completely agree that it takes a lot of commmitment, and that's why i'm gonna try one more time. If it was someone else besides my own brother i wouldn't care, but i hate seeing my brother miserable. I'm sure you've seen similar post, but i was hoping somebody knew a great book even if it isn't done by the seduction community. Maybe somebody has read some religious book that will help to give you the right mindset.

Wild at Heart by John Elderidge. It's a great book for being in the right mindset and it is a Christian book. He does talk about taking the bull by the horns and life too for that matter and being proactive. Not to mention a bunch of other good stuff.

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Been around the world twice, Talked to everyone once...

"mR.e-wish you could show this guys the life you live in your mind dont you?" -what do you mean by that.

Great book. Another I would recommend is How to find a Date worth keeping by Henry Cloud. Really makes the case for actually working at your dating life.

theologically speaking you can say to him that God has given him free will and so if he wants to find someone he better get out there and use it.

secondly there are plenty of bible stories about men going out to find their wives. one analogy is "you row, God steers". He has to start rowing. also in most traditions presuming God is going to do something for you is sinful. if what he means is that he's willing to wait until somebody special comes along, then that's fine, but it's no reason to not go out there and try if he wants a wife. God told us not to worry about money or food but he never said 'don't go out and work, i'll take care of it!'

he's just timid and/or lazy.

if he wants somebody then he should get involved with his church groups and young adults events. there are plenty of good christian girls looking for good christian men.

David Deangelo's materials are fairly "politically correct" compared to other people's stuff.

Try getting him to read "double your dating".

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"I'd tell her to go shove her face in the pig pen, and go out and find another one who'll kiss you without askin for the earth. You're bound to find one. You can hardly throw half a brick back in the lands you come from without hittin one."
Stardust