Yeah, so I got refused a k-close after a really fun evening with this wonderful line:

"Friends last longer."

Ouch!! Not in this case, sweetheart Thing is, it's a good enough excuse to move on from this girl, as she was rather dull company overall, and I persisted because it was the only option available at the time.

There were many things I probably did wrong by PUA standards - didn't take the lead often enough, waited too long to make a move, didn't escalate properly - but my main issue is how to behave now I've decided to finish chasing this woman. I know her through friends of friends, so it's not impossible I might bump into her again somewhere.

I think she still believes we can be regular friends, and will likely contact me to go and do other stuff, so what should I do in that case? Ignore her altogether, engage with her, or just fob her off with excuses until she gets the message?

Also, what if she realises, and asks me whether I've stopped talking to her because she shut me down? Really could do with some guidance, people...

She already knows this is a possibility, it won't come as a surprise, a lot of women are naive, but you are not the first that she friendszoned i can guarantee that.

If you want to show you're not affected or hurt, tell her "I have enough friends already, sorry"

Yes, she will probably think you are a bit of an asshole, but she will also respect you for making a stand and not being the usual chump that will agree to just be friends. Not only is this attractive in a way, but you will also be able to keep your chin up high.

If you want to keep her as a pivot, you could add "I have enough friends already, sorry..but when we meet again I will act normal around you." This way you can use her for social proof next time you two meet eachother in a club or whatever.

Best of luck and let me know how it went!

Chillburg.

Hi Chillburg - thanks a huge amount for taking the time to give me some feedback, much appreciated. I basically took the rest of the weekend to get blitzed and banish the effects of the kick in the ribs to my pride.

If she tries to call me out on whether brushing me off upset me, I was thinking of saying something like (adapting your suggestion):

"Nah, no hard feelings. As far as friends go though, I reckon we both have enough friends to keep us occupied, know what I mean? Take care, and I'll see you around"

Or have I made a mistake to even address it in that way? I like the idea of a 'pivot', though - I never even considered that she could lend me some social proof in future situations if I keep things civil. A lot to learn still.

One other question I had is that if she contacts me just to try and arrange something, should I just ignore her and only respond if she asks about the brushing-off?

Stop being such a pansy.


I presume she hurted you with the line "friends last longer". I'd be pissed off.

It's only right to leave her, why be friends with her if you can't get what you want. Unless she has alot of hot friends.

"i have enough friends" is gold.

Wrong. Don't pass go, don't collect 200 . . .

Holy shit guys . . . what is wrong with you?

Do you realize that NOTHING YOU SAY matters when you ACT like a little scorned bitch?

Show of hands PUA's . . . how many of you have stuck your cocks WAAAAY deep inside the throat of a girl who have told you, "Let's just be friends?" (Little insecure virgins need not apply with your made up realities)

Look, there are a whole bunch of reasons why a girl will pull the LJBF card. Yeah . . I suppose with some reasons, fucking her might be difficult. Many instances however, the LJBF thing is to just cover up her own insecurities; it's practically an invite to shove your cock down her throat. How will you know the difference? The answer: There is no fucking way to know . . .

So you just keep punching away at it as if her "LJBF" was an invitation to fuck her brains out. Just shrug your shoulders and go, "Oh, OK . . . cool . . . Look how cute you get when your all nervous. No biggie."

Now, you just carry this shit on like NOTHING EVER HAPPENED. But when EVER YOU MEET, you crank on the sexual shit like never before. You can do this because hell, "We are great friends for ever and we can be open to each other . . . "

You make it seem as there is ABSOLUTELY no pressure for anything because again . . . "hell, we're friends for life remember?"

You call her up, tell her to come over her . . . friends go over each others houses to watch movies. Right? Sit close, arm around her shoulder . . . high fives and kisses on the cheek . . . You chat about SEX. You chat about orgasms. You chat about your dating life. See, it's ALL RIGHT IN FRONT OF HER but you absolutely hold back on anything further. Take her hand . . . hold it . . . and put in on your thigh, somewhat close to your cock. Just laugh and watch the movie. You do this right and usually, it's enough for her to go grab your junk and go down on her knees.

Now let's say NONE of this happens. So what?(She's either a lesbian or you really, really suck at turning a girl on) Big deal . . . Next time, just try the same shit again. Doesn't work? Well, you just gained one "somewhat aloof, coldish" female friend. This is GOOOOOOOD. Friends Goooood. Enemies baaaaaaad.

I'll tell you one thing. You guys who are quick to say, "NO SEX? HA! No FRIENDS THEN!!!!" . . . well, besides the fact that you probably have little needle dicks and can't possibly have many female friends, you're DEFINITELY losing out on ACTION. It's RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU but you're giving up because, "Ohhhhh. . . my heart! My heart! She broke my little bitty witty heart . . ."

Girls are in tune to this crap. And you kids with needle dicks will ONLY attract girls who were molested by their daddies and uncles who teach them, "I WILL LOVE YOU ONLY IF YOU LET ME FUCK YOU." So yeah, these particular girls will spread their legs to the entire village but what happens is EXACTLY OPPOSITE of their expectations. All the guys treat them like cum rags and fuck off. So these girls just continue to repeat the process to become the village cum queens. Hurray. . .

The girls with straight heads on their shoulders however will want the exact opposite. "I want love/friendship REGARDLESS of sex or no sex." If you can demonstrate to them that you're just FUCKING SOLID either way, they will POUNCE on you.

"I have enough friends . . . boo hoo . . " - is what the needle dick tells the 20th girl who just turned him down. . . . And unless he learns to change his patterns, he'll be telling the same thing to the 21st . . .

I'm gonna unashamedly brown nose now, but Kasabi your philosphy toward pick-up has literally changed my life.

Before when I would get friend zoned I'd just nod along and do the Ross Jefferies 'Friends don't put each other in boxes like that' Then take time away from the girl and eventually loose her all together.

Before I'd spend so much WASTED time thinking about if I should do this or if I should do that to make her like me.

Now I simply run the show.

If you wrote a book on this stuff I'd buy it.

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I was just about to write in a post about how freezing a recent LJBF girl out and how it is back firing cause now she's ignoring me( I wanna keep her around cause she has lots of HB friends and is fun to hang with). After reading Kasabi's comment I am now enlightened. I always would do what the previous poster said. freeze then lose her. Now to hit her up without sounding like I'm sucking up:)

Great post Kasabi. It has enlightened me too a little and basically the jist of it being grow some balls

The Ross Jeffries line "I have enough friends" was designed for NLP picking up and same day f-closing. When you're out with that goal, you don't have time to make friends. Advanced PUAs work by numbers - "if I spend 30 minutes making a girl my flirty friend, couldn't I have NLP-seduced 3 other equally attractive girls"? But in the Mystery Method, with social value, and the newer day-game and social-circle-Alpha-male stuff, of course you want a hot friend. Jesus, you can't have enough hot friends!

Don't mix and match the different systems and take the attitudes completely out of context.

stuckup,

Good point. Above all, it's all about the "pick up".

Couple of thoughts however:

1. I don't believe the "I have enough friends" route applies to the OP's situation.

2. The only time "I have enough friends" might apply is if you go to a "new" city for one day and you really, really, really want to fuck within a few hours.

3. AND even then, I am not sure if that is the effective way to go unless you run into a low self esteemed girl with some abandonment issues. "Oh my God! The weird guy I've never seen before doesn't want to be my friend! I better suck his cock right now!"

4. The whole thing is just a crazy fantasy. You know it and she knows it. When you tell her stories of surfing North shore or snowboarding Les Grande Montes and you make a "pact" to go together in 10 years . . . come on . . . you both know that it probably will NEVER EVER happen. But the heart is there. The fun is there. It sounds good at the time. This is the type of fun you are regardless of what the girls say or do. Just keep the fun.

"I have enough friends" . . . (Fun? Or Mr. Grump?)

Wow, this post answered a lot of questions I had. Quick question though because I find myself in a similar situation. I'm pretty new to all of this so please bear with me. Tonight was my second date with a girl I've been digging for awhile. The date itself went great, tons of Kino plenty of IOI's but when I was driving her home she brought up the "what are you looking for" question stating clearly that she's not looking for a relationship. Being the inexperienced idiot that I am I was honest and said I wanted to be more than friends followed by a quick "what do you think about me" kind of question. She said that she loved hanging out with me but thought of me as a friend, the confusing part is that she said she still wants to go out and doesn't want anything to change; and honestly that doesn't sound like a just friends situation to me. I'm still a virgin so I am unsure if I am reading the situation incorrectly. What should my course of action be? I mean I like the girl a lot but to be honest at this point a F-buddy might not be too bad.

Cheers for the feedback all!

Kasabi raises an interesting alternative - the irony being that Magic Bullets seems to be heavily based on Mystery's methods, so maybe I should already know

And cheers to stuckupcurlyguy for illuminating the difference between those two schools of thought - I don't think I really understood it until the context was highlighted.

It's all very well keeping this girl onside (which I will try and do), and pushing a sexual frame when I'm around her, but I would like to move onto other girls as well - specifically ones I might have a little more in common with. In that sense, I don't want to really spend any more time than is necessary with this girl other than to maintain the acquaintance, but she does keep inviting me out for drinks. How to handle this?

Hey Mr.Glide I've posted a few times on similar issue. A main point is,women are fuccing body language genuises!! Believe it;they can friggin sense when you're lying from a mile away!!!

I've wrote a thread of posts about a particular sarge went wrong(the librarian). She basically shit tested me into oblivion and an arguement(lol).
I lived in NYC my entire life(big town). I now live in a small town were everyone knows everyone. Just last night,I ran into that same HB8 at an airport and I actually went up to her,tapped her on the shoulder and said,"Hey,I hope your attitude has changed(with a slight smile on face)".

That totally shocked her. The psycology working here is unpredictability. I didnt want to talk to her again but why fucing give her the satisfaction & power of not talking to her because she rejected me?

Women can sense this shit!! They know when you're ignoring them because she'd rejected you. So I did the unexpected and talked to her-busted on her-showing her that Im alpha-she doesnt phase me. Ignoring her in this instance may subcommunicate that you're a fucing wuss!!

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Update: couple posts above I mentioned an LJBF situation. Well I approached it using Kasabi's way of thinking and it worked out great. I didn't freeze her out by acting all scorned and we're still mates. Just the other night I tuned her up with some sexual chat and she didn't stop me once! I'm looking forward to hangin with her, instant pre-selection(HB9)!

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