I'm starting from scratch and solo sarging is the way I have to go, for now at least. When you're in a club, you can jump in the set right away, but lets say you find yourself in a bar, or some more quite place with less people. The second you walk in by yourself , you lose value. And you can't just approach a set, you'll creep them out and give away the gameplan. Or is this just my limiting belief?
I plan on practicing day game, and you don't need social proof for that, and then bring them to clubs and bars to build that social proof.
Tonight I'm going to acoustic concert. Alone. Not necessarily to practice the game, but if I have the chance, why not. If a girl asks me who I came with, what's the best frame to have? And I wouldn't think of her question as a shit test.

First of all, I don't have experience with solo sarging during the night so I can't give you any good advice about that. Brave that you decided to go solo! If you do it right, it will improve your game very fast. When you're alone, it's best to approach right away though, since you're not with a group that you can talk to. Also, I think very bussy places are more suitable for solo sarging (people won't notice you, hoovering around solo).

When a girl asks you where your friends are, you can either tell the truth by saying something like: "I'm doing a little experiment right now. I never went clubbing all by myself and I was thinking, let's give it a try!" Say it in a funny light hearted manner. Never act defensive if she accuses you of having no friends or something like that!

Or you can lie about it. If the girl seems a bit more tochy/feisty/playful, whe won't even care about the answer. Say something like: "It's ridiculous. All of my friends went home with a chick." You can even continue this with a little false disqualification. "I would never do that! It seems you can't even talk normally to a chick these days without sex."

Good luck buddy,

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Thanks mate!
I really enjoyed that false disqualifier at the end of your post.
A new gambit added to my game.

when you sarge solo you shouldn't give a shit about gaming girls... your main priority is having fun.

when your on youre own you have to be more arrogant / cocky/ teasing and you have to neg alot because the major attention you can find comes out of sets. if you like social proof you should build up social proof by picking out the easiest sets.

list of things i've found out when sarging alone.

- you need social proof .... if you don't have it you create it

- your social proof decreases when you circle the venue too much in a predatory fashion.

- you have to believe your spot is the best spot in the club , and your a fun person to talk to.

- you have to eliminate behaviours like looking around too much , fidgeting, lone bar drinking pose.

- don't drink whiskey when your sitting alone.... rather drink some fancy cocktail or popular drink. girls DO look at what your drinking , this is very true.

- Peacocking is obsolete... the last thing you must do is draw attention, when your alone you must draw as less attention as possible. because when you get in everyone will see your on your own, i go in casual but if i really need to peacock i go to the toilet and put on the items. Walking around with a bright pink cocktail is peacocking as well. im a firm believer of personality tho, i don't concentrate on appearance.

- Go early .... open up some sets , sometimes you fuck up and sometimes you open sets. by going out early you keep the crowd fresh because over a few hours those blown sets will leave the venue and make room for others.
if you opened some sets you can go back later on and use those sets to convey more social proof.

- Don't go out late in the night.... people are drunk and alot drunk milf who wanna fuck cruise the streets and clubs. if you like milfs and want sex it's cool but if you want to improve your game you shouldn't go too late. Day game is much harder because people didn't consume alcohol at this time of the day ( at least i hope lol )

- you constanly need to have positive body language .. keep smiling when you are walking around the club but don't do a walkathon and don't overdo smiling when you've opened a set. people who don't enjoy themselfs don't smile and people who won't get laid don't smile, you have to believe being present in your company is the best there is.

- Game on the streets ... opening moving sets is hard but very rewarding when you succeed, your social proof will quadruple and it's easy to semi- isolate targets you could also steer the group into certain venues.
try to open moving sets consisting only out of guys or only out of girls .. you will notice a slight difference.

note -- OPENING MOVING SETS IS HARD when your starting out.

- don't approach too much guys .... it will look as if your gay .... don't do too many woman either because rejects do telegraph to other people present in the club. Do both and mix them up. Don't merge.... merging can create social proof but often will get out of hand because you don't know everybody yet.

dancing or seated sets are the easiest ..... at the dancefloor music is hard - they won't hear you anyway and if you dancegame is good you can open them up without talking...seated sets won't go anywhere soon they are fixed which makes them worthy of investing.

-ASK FOR WAYPOINTS .... after gettting into fights i must tell you; you have to ask where they know eachother from.....you have to know if they are marries before you start to game the set. i've gamed married couples and sets ... i have nothing good to say about it.

befriend ugly people .... i don't want to rate anyone and i hate the rating system but HB 4 and 6s are easy to open .. create social proof and work your way up to the hotter girls

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frame :

don't give a shit what people think.

neg like hell and be cocky

just say what you think you should say or want to say, if you want to call someone a whore you should tell her she looks like a whore. don't worry .... her boyfriend won't kill you, he will only kill you when youre trying to steal his girl.

it's your life .... make the best of it , you either fuck life or life fucks you ... your choice.

don't value social contacts and youve made... they are merely tools for having fun and tools for creating social proof. put yourself number 1 all the time.
be unaffected, newly made social contacts could easily flake or forget you.

step outside your comfort zone and don't imply the 3 second rule - enjoy things .. don't rush.

you have to realise your a very couragious and cool dude... everybody thinks going out on your own is retarded ... it's socially acceptable to hang out in groups but being alone isn't socially acceptable according to most people. people and especially guys who hang around in fixed sets are cowards , they don't have the guts to step outside their comfort zone so they stick with their friends.

guys like us who sarge alone know and believe we can have fun on our own.. we don't need anyone to make our life better.

notice the sets only containing guys looking around the venue.. they don't do anything they just hang around there with their beer. their real goal is to get laid and having fun but they don't do anything - they already gave up.
don't be one of those losers, don't be the guy who performs walkathons 24/7.
either you own the club or the club owns you.

it's also important that you remember that some days do suck ... and some days are very rewarding. when you sarge alone you could have some bad nights but it's ok , sometimes you drink too much, some times there are not enough girls in the venue and sometimes you got too many things on your mind.
you will suffer from the loner stigma after a bad night tho... you have to bite trough it and keep going, after a while you will get results you need to invest first.

here's a tip .... go to a girl ( in or out a set ) and ask her to reject you in the most harsh way possible. what you will see is some girls will open up and start to like you but some girls will reject you in a harsh way. be unaffected sometimes woman have a bad day. when you use that opener you suddenly will see the whole set opening up asking you why you want them to do such thing.
girls with low self esteem won't reject you anyway...

you got nothing to lose .... you start with zero and can only gain , you can never have less than zero. you have yourself and you die with yourself .

good luck sarging

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This is your limiting belief. I know plenty of guys that walk into bars alone, myself included, and don't loose any social value. This is your perception and likewise you have made it your reality. You can change it!

I strongly agree with a whole lot that Lodewijkp said above and those are some excellent tips, you can tell he's definitely been out by himself before and knows what to do. There is just one small part of it that I disagree with.
This may seem like a foreign concept to some of you that may not have been at this as long as I have but overnegging is a pretty big problem. I agree that it's okay to neg a few times, although it's rarely needed, it just seems like you are overcompensating for being alone by being an arrogant prick.

Most of the time overnegging backfires. So I wouldn't plan on using more than 2-3 negs in any set that you go into. Besides if you get that much resistence in a set its probably time to move on.

There is no need to waste 20 minutes dealing with shit tests because time is against you for the night. Let's say you get to the clubs early around 11pm and they close at 2pm. You know that you have about two hours to get in good with a set to manage to pull that night. Otherwise you just will run out of time. I'd rather move on to another set that I'm vibing with.

Anyways just one of my things but again he has a lot of good information up there. The main point is that you have to believe yourself that it's okay to be out alone despite what the social stereotypes are. There are some girls I've dated and told them I'm going out tonight alone. At first they are a little confused. Then I explain to them, well wherever I go I meet new people, I kind of create my own party. I'm never really alone during the night it just starts out that way. Then most girls are pretty intrigued by it all.

Again, it's your limiting belief it's all in your head. Change it, and you will change your results when going out alone.

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yes, sounds like it to me. Stop with the negative thinking.

Now there can be places where you feel comfortable and those you don't. I would say go where you feel comfortable. I go out alone often, but only to places I feel comfortable... don't like bars or discos cause they have few if any attractive enough girls to hit on. And for some reason that makes me uncomfortable and fidgety, I guess 'cause I've got nothing to do. Big, popular clubs on a Saturday night with lots of cute girls running around... feels like home

Great stuff, Lodewijkp!

It’s like talking to Style. You’re fucking great! Your way of thinking definitely makes sense, and I think I already knew most of the things you said on some level. I like that stuff you said about peacocking. I’ll save the accessories for the occasions when I have social proof. Till then, go under the radar and learn.

And you’re so right about those guys, drinking beer and checking the girls out. Bunch of AFCs, and they don’t even know it. Most of my friends are like that, and I rather go in the field alone, crash and burn, than be like that. They have girlfriends thou, but that’s not what I want. I want solid game.

Good thing, however, is that I found community in Belgrade. I ran into their forum a couple days ago, and already met some guys. I intend of recruiting some wings, and it will be more fun to play that way.

I still have one question. What do you exactly mean when you say “when you sarge solo you shouldn't give a shit about gaming girls... your main priority is having fun.” Having fun in general, enjoying yourself, going out without a goal and then if the oportunity arises step in. Or did you mean something else?

Thanks again, I really appreciate it. Thanks to the other guys, as well.

p.s. I like that 'Give me your best shot' opener.

well .... if you go out to game or go out to get laid you are expectin something because you set a goal. in that particular night it's s possible you don't succeed your goal and that is fucked up because everytime you fuck up you will feel bad.

therefore it's better to keep your expectations down...
if the night is really dead and i feel like crap il just get drunk and watch a humorous movie at home.. or some chris rock. in any way i will ensure my evening is relaxed.

one time i was going out with a wing and he was like '' im gonna game them hook them and K -close'' but he was overmotivating himself expecting too much and when he got blown out he was demotivated more and more.
i don't do that stuff .... il just walk to a person unexpected without hidden agenda ... my main goals are opening and socializing out of interest and fun.

i had girls rejecting me and i told them they were good at seeing trough me, i bought them a drink and danced with them. rejection doesn't mean you can't be friends rejection means your telegraphed sexual interest. you can be humorous about it and still hang out ..... but of course if she's screaming fuck off ...lol walk away.

most '' pua'' or people who sarge are way too serious .... one night in conveyed gayness just for fun , i told some girls im gay and kept joking about it. i laughed the shit out of myself.

when im getting rready for a night i knockdown these goals ( multiple small goals) :
main target : having fun and getting in the mood

reading some interesting book or reading some funny field reports... done
drinking a beer while watching some chris rock or other fun stuff.. done
listening to music and thinking of all the humorous things i've encountered while sarging ( funny rejections , funny hooks and K closes ) done

listening to music while traveling to friends and venues... done
do i feel good .. am i in the mood ? yes ok cool mission accomplished

if i ain't in the mood ... i call a few friends and talk about some funny convos , or meeting up with the sister of my best friends so i can warm up.

now i go out and have fun because i feel like fun .. i am fun.

most guys think like this :

reading PUA book before sarging
opening, FTC, moxeing using this skill using that tactic, roleplay, freeze out blabla
they all think too much about their game because they are fixated on succeeding while gaming ... gaming and F/K closing is their goal that's why they overdoing it.

jsmooth your right with the overnegging tho ... i have the tendancy to overneg maybe something i should work on.

thanks for the compliments !

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I solo all the time and aside from some really good suggestions here are mine:

1. Dress to impress. It makes you look good and confident, if you do it right.
2. Don't care what people think.
3. Do be in control, eg. do not get drunk.
4. Talk to every girl that comes up to/near your spot, you never know what might come of it.
5. Dancing is sometimes hard to pickup girls, but if the song is right and you know how to dance to it, it may be your best tool for seduction at that time.
6. Wear good cologne...Try on many and find one that suits you well. I cannot tell you how many times girls who passed by me asked what I was wearing. Great opener without you doing anything.
7. Be funny and friendly.
8. Have Fun.

Best,

J-Dub

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