i understand it won't help my game. dont get me wrong, i would so rather have a convo with a girl then just pure mack or bang her. i was just curious if the opener would or wouldn't work. i'm still gunna try the opener. but not anytime soon. i'm gunna continue what i am doinguntil i really don't care and i'll give it a go.

This gig is called an "opener" because that's all it is. If you read my link, you'd see that I didn't yank that girl out right away. All it did for both of us was confirm that "we will definitely be fucking later on . . . as long as things go smoothly for a while". Could you make out right away? . . . Possible . . . but you'd still go through an "interview process" from that point up to the time when you're rolling the rubber over your dick.

The only thing about this gig is that it forces the players involved to put their cards on the table right away. You're chatting and having fun but the "mystery" is no longer there. If she's STILL sitting with you after you opened her this way, she's knows that you'll be fucking.

And the test is still there. If this is all you say and you then talk about tennis for the next hour, you're done. You still need to keep your frame as if to say, "I mean EVERYTHING I said and YOU WILL be going home with me."

In the end . . . it's still just one funny joke.

You're making up your mind from a bunch of "maybe's" and "probably's". You are "definitely" wrong.
a. What does "not worth it" mean? Since when is sex with a hot chick "not worth it"?
b. You are correct. Although, I'd add "probably" here. There's a lot going against the guy who demonstrates he has the ability to go out and get laid with a few lines and a smile.
c. Again . . . you've made up your mind from not having tried this even once. A LOT can be learned by trying this out. Give this opener 10 goes and then tell us your game hasn't gotten better. It's like starting off your tennis game with a powerful serve.
d. Resistance is one thing but you seem to have some anger towards this process. Think about where those emotions come from . . . (especially since you are only working with your imagination of how this opener would work and not with actual experience) Anyhow, my reply to you is NO! Get a fucking grip! fucking = fucking. Pick up = Pick up. A hooker = a hooker.

If you are using this opener on an HB6 then you would be correct, it won't be better than fucking an HB6. If you are using this opener on your HAND, then you would be correct, it wouldn't be better than masturbating. If you are however opening up an HB10 with this opener and then fucking her after wards, I'm going to bet that this will be a better experience for you than stroking your own cock with baby oil.
Well . . . here it is. Guys who are this angry will find a reason to pick a fight with other people(as long as those "other people" are half their size) no matter what. So this risk to be more associated with life rather than a silly pick up line. Personally, I can tell you that it makes me feel pretty freakin' good to walk into a bar/club with a girl and see her get hit on left and right. Guess who's going home with her?

I've been really wanting to use this opener but haven't found the right moment to use it since I think it would be most effective when the target is by herself.

I would really love to use this opener since I think its frigging hilarious. I know I need to not burst into laughter but I know it will bring amusement between the girl and I afterwards even if I don't get laid.

If you truly think you do than you DO. But you've got to actually BELIEVE it.

If you believe you have these outer traits like confidence and vocal dominance, then you WILL have these traits.

If you are doubting yourself at all then you won't have the balls to do this.

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umm the only RISK involved in this for me, would be that if she has a boyfriend, brother or male friend there who see you try it on her. they would kill u if she took it bad.

i seen a guy try something like this on my sister in town one night, where he walked up to her and grabbed her ass straight away in a rude manner. instantly i went up and fought him..... im not even a fighting macho type of guy, but its just instincts that if u see this happen to a girl u are protective of, to respond in an aggressive way.

try have some morals too fellas.

i like the idea of it through the impressiveness and balls it demonstrates tho.. id probly use it after i got to know her a bit through direct game. not as an opener. but thats just me.

happy sarging

Somebody that would say: I have these traits probably has them. Opposed to someone that says: I think I have them... he probably doesn't have them. I'm all about the placebo effect, but even then, with a good placebo effect, the guy will know he has it, he won't 'think' he does.

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It works to open(I've used it atleast 20 times), but it's not like a girl is going to jump right into bed with you consistently just because you asked.

Will some girl, somewhere jump into bed with you if you do enough approaches like this say yes?

Probably, but it's very inefficient and another example of exaggerations that fill the SUISC

JS

as an opener it conveys IOIs to the target.
'To do so at this time would surely compromise your chances of
survival were you to hit on the married woman with her husband present.
We must discover the group's relationship dynamics before giving
IOIs.' - Mystery

Yes exactly. I wasn't sure if you meant 'think' or 'believe'

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I am definitely trying this out. The one thing I will look out for is making pretty damn sure she doesn't have a guy close by.

I will most likely not try it til I go on vaca next month and the girls will most likely not have boyfriends close by.

Sinn has summed it up best here.

I'm sure if you try it enough you will eventually get it to work, and maybe to even get a girl to go back with you... yet it seems inefficient and a waste of time (unless you prefer to waste your time with low probability openers)

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Manipulation is such a strong word... I prefer persuasion.

Basically agree but you will burn out a venue if you get blown out too many times and with any one connected with the girl/set you blew out.
This IS an issue if you sarge in the same venues all the time either through choice or neccessity. Basic social proof stuff.

The blow-out itself is something you should take like a man. If it isn't happening on a regular basis you are doing something wrong.

The Apocalypse Opener is a decent way to play the numbers game if that is what your into. It takes no time but you are going to have a lower strike rating.

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