As a PUA, you know what she's really attracted to. She's attracted to a man with confidence, many friends of both sexes, social status, intelligence (especially social intelligence), an ability to lead and take control, a man who doesn't apologise for who he is, and is open and free about his masculinity and sexuality. A guy who has options, who is casual about sex, and who she has to chase and keep the interest of in case she loses him to another girl.

A guy who ... is casual about sex, and who she has to chase and keep the interest of in case she loses him to another girl.

How do you know she wants to chase a player?

Steeltoe is obviously new, so I'm going to field that by giving him a response, and then responding to the rest of the thread.

Steeltoe: The common perception in the pick-up artist community is that a person will not value that which is given to them. Instead, they value that which they have worked for. For the most part, this is true, and it's a principle of seduction that anyone new to the field could benefit from. If you are chasing, you are losing. If she's chasing you, you have already won. Go you.

That being said, the rest of the thread: You have a pretty good idea of what a large number of women want. Through trial and error, we have managed to piece together a set of behaviors that are attractive to a large enough section of the female population that you will probably get laid if you use those behaviors on a bunch of different women.

But I honestly believe we need to drop this idea that we know what all women want, because we don't. I met a girl once who was not attracted to confident men. I met her because she came up to me in a bar where I was not having a good time at all, hanging near the back of the club. I was teaching that day, and I was waiting for a few of my students to get back from their sets. She liked shy, quiet guys, and would always talk to the moderately cute boys who were holding up the wall because that's where she found the boys she likes. I don't know _why_ she found shy quiet boys attractive, but I know that she _didn't_ like the bravado and braggodacio of the confident alpha-male crowd.

And because what we have works well enough, no research is being done into the other sides of attraction. From personal experience, one in every four or five women is attracted to the typical PUA-type behavior. Those are _damned fine odds_ for finding someone attractive to wet your dick any given night. If you get good at picking your targets, your ratio goes up to one in every two or three girls you talk to will be into that style of behavior. In any given set, you're guaranteed a hit. So yeah, confident, pre-selected, socially proven, intelligent leader types are going to get laid, probably a lot.

But there are other women out there, women who want things from their men that are not on the PUA list just yet. In the past, I've tried to figure out what those other hot-buttons are, and I've had some success with it. Just because you're getting results with what you have doesn't mean you should stop trying new things, and seeing how those things work.

We need to look at all the possible angles, guys, not just the ones with results that are "good enough."

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"A guy who ... is casual about sex, and who she has to chase and keep the interest of in case she loses him to another girl."

steeltoe: How do you know she wants to chase a player?

MonkeyBoy:The common perception in the pick-up artist community is that a person will not value that which is given to them.

Your perception is... you perceive to know what a women wants...right.Women do not even know what they want unless its a dress or a pair of shoes. Moreover, if they have to work too hard to obtain those shoes or that dress they are likely to find something easier to obtain. No one wants a HB10 who is a blood sucking vampire.

Absolutely not. If the latest actress/popstar/model type chicks appeared on the cover of fashion magazines showing off dried cow dung on their feet and torn potato sacks draped over their shoulders, our shopping malls would smell like shit and potato sack races would be a thing of the past.

Steeltoe, I am entirely too old to be a "boy."

I do not know what any given woman wants. I know a set of behaviors that has been proven to attract a large enough subset of women that I am seldom for want of company, but those two things are very different.

And you are absolutely right; if you make yourself completely unattainable, some women will stop chasing you. This is why push-pulls are so effective: she needs to work for your attention, but you give her just enough of that attention to make the chase worth.

Kasabi, if we didn't have potato sack races anymore, I would die from sheer boredom. They're my favorite sport!!!

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No one wants a HB10 who is a blood sucking vampire.

After that megan fox movie their might be a lot of guys with that image in their head when their getting off.

Why does everyone have such a problem with translating what girls want into what guys want, just for some reference...

Guys generally like a decent sized pair of breasts, there's a pair that most guys would agree would be the best, but there are guys that like them obscenely big and guys who like little titties.

In a nutshell, being a PUA who does everything as he is told to on the sites and books is like a girl getting a boob job. It's getting mass appeal, but it's not appealing to everyone.

steeltoe almost seems misogynistic in his post about shoes and dresses.

When's the last time any one of you actually asked a good amount of women what they wanted in a man? I've never heard this flowers business before. My mom taught me to have some manners, so I suppose I am a mild form of what you call a gentleman, and it reacts well with women. The problem comes when you're a gentleman for a single girl. Hold the door open for her, but granny right behind you can get it herself. That's not being a gentleman, that's being an idiot.

Being an idiot is a problem.

PUA has mass appeal, and if you stick to it religiously, you will never get the girls that it doesn't appeal to...now most of what I see is young guys trying to get laid, they probably don't care who it appeals to as long as she's hot and will sleep with them, but it's still worth noting that not everyone is the same.

Women traditionally DO know what they want (it doesn't matter what she tells you, she doesn't have to be telling the truth)

Women are not pathological liars, I forget who said that, doesn't matter, it's not true.

People are not obvious. If you stopped trying to prejudge everyone, you could see a bit more of who they are. "All women act this way, all men act this way, everyone is the same". Start a conversation with that, elaborating of course, see how many people agree with you.

Stop the idea that if it doesn't have mass appeal, it must be changed. I for one, am not extroverted. I find loud people annoying and people with high energy need to shutup, calm down, or stay away from me. This doesn't have mass appeal, I don't care. This is not what PUAs would think is the best choice, I still don't care. My life isn't about getting laid.

I don't remember what this post was about but I think I covered a good deal of the thread in this response...

I agree most with Monkey...btw how did you handle the girl who was interested in shy guys? Did you get her or did you let her know you aren't traditionally shy?

ok, so I'm the 10th guy to quote this on this thread but man, this is the best definition I've seen. Sounds like any girl who sees a man like this would describe him as a "real man"

If someone were to ask me what kind of man a woman really responds to... I'd say it is a man who can provoke strong emotional responses in her.

Ever been in the situation where a girl was so intensely mad at you that you thought she absolutely hates you now and would never speak to you again? Then after she cools off, she is so hot for you that you think she's the reason the arctic is melting, and not that pesky little global warming thing?

as my friend likes to say "women love the emotional roller coaster"... sorry to any "nice guys" (aka boring guys or pushovers) out there, but you don't elicit any kind of emotional response good OR bad... welcome to the "friend zone"

What women think or say they want doesn't really matter. It's what they respond to that matters.