ok heres the scenario--was leaving the college library and hot chick that i used to work with in a shop bout 5 years ago walked out and i gave her a hi--and as always when i see her she smiles andd says hi back--she lives in my general neighbourhood and always acknowledges me--i am almost 99.9% certain there is no boyfriend---im about 5 years older than her---i have never been her friend as such but just enough of an acquaintane to be able to strike up a conversation with her without being seen as hitting on her-----i want to move fast on this but at the same time come in completely under the radar so that she will think the whole idea originated with her--she is not studying the same course or in the same year so i dont really have an excuse to be on level 2 of library where she hangs whereas i am up in level 3---the only common ground is the large computer lab---at the same time---i think i may have passed a minor shit test tonight---when we exchanged hi's and she was walking towards carpark i was still at front of library and i noticed out of the corner of my eye that she turned around to see was i looking after her---she was wearing a mini up to her ***as far as she knows i didnt look after her but i could see her looking back with corner of eye in the dark reflection in the windows---i need to make an approach that gets me beyond hi and into the lets go to the cafe for coffee--without looking obvious about what im up to and at the same most definately not falling into LJBF----all advice appreciated--i plan to make move on monday next if i see her---im not particularly good at approach due to AA

Hi Herne,

You could argue you already have an IOI here.
I mentioned in one of my other posts that i've found it helps if you think of a 'target' (or maybe romantic interest as Target sounds too cold) as just another mate. Sure it's not easy, but maybe she's as nervous as you are and also has AA. You could simply say "hey i'm Herne whats your name" but that wouldnt be very game.
If you really had the balls you could 'accidently' knock her a bit in the hallway, ask if shes OK, and insist you make it up to her, then go from there.
Something my mate came up with was funny, If you are in the computer room next to her. Maybe you could ask for an opinion on something, my mate suggested (and we both use for a quick opener) "I've got a quick question to ask you; Which do you prefer? Pirates or Ninjas" The response for most girls is "Pirates" then follow up with "why is that?" this, about 50% of the time is A johnny Depp related answer from 'Pirates of the carrabien' If thats the case, I'd usually follow with "I think Makenzie Crook (or kiera knightly for predictablility) was alot better. Better looking too." This usually gets a giggle if they know who he his. you could also follow with "I prefer ninjas, because they are like a James bond type operative. They operate in the shadows" or some crap like that. This way you are not simply agreeing with her. You could either go for anther rountine like the guessing numbers game as mention in "The Game" by Style/neil strauss. (It has t be a number between one and ten, and it's usually 7.) I've used both of these a number of times. And it works for a laugh.

Anyway, hope this helps a lil bit.

TD

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thanks TD you gave me some good stuff to go on there---the computer room would in general be non runner--exam time would be almost impossible to get sitting near her--ye have to wait for ages to get a place--would probably be a good idea if i went and seen that film first

I kinda like the knock over one--it would work but only thing is how to make it look natural and not premeditated--- i was thinking of the female opinion go would you go out with guy who was still friends with his ex --but im beginning to wonder how many of them would already know about it

Give yer honest opinion on this---strait over--that if i see her sitting on her own--big smile--pick a number between 1-10------whatever it is say yes thats right you win--hand her 5 bucks and say you get to buy us cofee in cafe

I know its very direct-- ideally it could be performed if i had already done the hi thing then sat right next to her doing honest work on computer for about 30 mins when we could both do with a break--that involves a lot of logistics problems---getting a computer right beside her
getting the timing right so that shes not about to finish and leave
making sure that shes not back from a break already
and during that 30 minutes no group of friends come over and drag her away or change her mind if she was half willing to go for coffee----too many variables would have to fall into place

no probs herne, sounds like you're on track here. Remember, in a target like this, you don't need to have the whole lot done on the day. This is not a pickup in a club, it sounds like a girl you actually like. Which is cool, and gives you a lil more time. Even if you set the scene (by that i mean, introduce yourself and make her aware that you aren't just gonna lok and say hi). She's probably thinking:Why wont he come over and talk to me.

Remember though that after you've opened you need to be natural. If you made her laugh you are winning the battle. if you're still smiling then you wil be making her feel comfortable.
You could..... if you think you'll get away with it: "i've seen you around but we've never really spoken...." (something i'd say). Follow with (cheecky smile) "actually i think i saw you having a cheeky look at my ass" Laugh this one off with her.Carrying this off This depends on 2 things, how much she's up for a laugh and how cheeky you come across. If you appear too serious, you may not pull this off. It is a neg, and it is cocky funny...

Let me know how you get on Herne

TD

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