This is probably not a new to most but I would like some of opinions of support or disagreement because it's one that just really worked its way into my reality, and I would like some others opinions..

Before I got into the game, I used to think these girls just enjoyed screwing with loser guys like myself and tooling them around and leading them on with no intention of ever really screwing them just because they were on a power trip, like the attention or what ever. While there probably is a portion that do just that for their kicks, I now think that is a minority and I really had it wrong and a warped impression even just until a few months ago.

My new realization and Id like you to agree or disagree is that if a girl flirts with you at all shes is probably down to fuck at least inatially, what you do is the difference in actually making that happen or falling into the friendzone as her girlfriend/man slave. I don't think they seek to put guys there, the chumps put themselves there. Since they are there the girls take advantage of it, & still are a little attracted hoping you will man up, but these guys were once fuckable if they hadn't chumped themselves out.

I just shake my head at this point of the missed oppertunities. My new opinion is if a girl isn't attracted to you at all she will just ignore you, certainly not flirt. If there is flirting there is a chance as long as you don't fuck it up being a chump even if you are in the friendzone. Hell im even seeing now if girls are mean to you and insult you (for instance 2 girls I fucked recently busted on my teeth,-negs?) that's a great sign as well cause girls generaly aren't out to screw with or hurt guys they have no interest in. They are testing you out, and use these real strong test on guys they believe can take it and ar fuckable. Pass one like that and it's over. If they have zero interest they just ignore is my new relization. Being confident and seeing and interpeting the underlying is the biggest part in all this IMO. I've just now fully think ive gotten it.

Thoughts?

Yes. If a girl is throwing you a shit test, it's because she cares enough about you to actually bother seeing if you'll jump through her hoops. If you do, then she knows that she can keep manipulating you and get what she wants (some free drinks, some validation, etc), if you show confidence and a stronger frame, then she knows your fb/bf material. If she totally didn't like you she'd just ignore you or walk away.

I'm thinking even deeper than that. Just about how I and many of my friends I watched that got put in the "friendzone" with girls & how we did every chump thing in the book to please these girls & how I thought these girls were kind of evil and never had any interest were just leading us on and toying with us for their validation and kicks.

Warped thinking & I don't believe that anymore. I think now all along there was real attraction in these cases & even when were were clearly just friends they still would flirt, it could have even been turned then if you maned up, but we were the ones that chumped ourselfs out. These girls may have liked having us wrapped around their finger & the validation and attention a little once they guys had already chumped out and was content in that role, but they didn't activly put us there or probably really want us there, like I once though, we put ourselves there.

I also know as soon as me or my friends would do something real chump & lame like profess our love, love letter or buy flowers it would stop & they would be weirded out & how as soon as you get non needy and more like a man since I have got into pick up how they flirt more & those old friendzone relationships could change.

The chicks really insulting you is a totally new thing for me. A few months ago if a chick dissed my teeth it would have probably destroyed my confidence, and no girls did at least to my face because I think they could sense that. Now they are seeing im sure in myself and use things like that to test, not because they are being mean bitches like I once woudl have thought but they believe I got the strenght of reality to handle it, and when I do the game is over.

Only girls that don't want you now IMO are the ones that ignore you & are cold completely. That's the revelation that's really just clicked for me.

It's weird how we are being told over and over again, but it never sticks in my head. But the way you said it really made me realize it.

The more I study women and deepen my knowledge of the game, the more I realize what great creatures women are. Before getting into this, I thought that women were almost all bitches, but that's such a big misconception.

They're just testing the shit out of us, and if I were a girl, I'd probably do the same.

Once you really start seeing these test for what they are, you gain a totally new perspective. I think most average guys if they see these test at all only see the most obvious tip of the iceberg. I know I have studied this shit 6 ways to sunday and it just now really starting to see the real depth.

I LOVE the fact women test, because most guys are clueless I probably still am compared to masters, but the minute I interpet something as a test now I get a little smile inside because my interpetation basically is she wants me, and passing the actual test is nothing at that point & when you do games over. Just pretty amazing the difference in knowing & the interpetation of the interaction.

Crazy how beliefs change everything most importantly how you act. Just thinking of one of my buddies in the past. We were all friends & in the friendzone with this hot girl & pined over her. He's like 5'4" arab and overweight but by far the best sense of humor and she was always all over him and flirty. She would say to his face and the rest of us she wasn't attracted to him like that, but looking back now it was horse shit. She used to sleep in the same bed with him want him to get naked around her etc. It wasn't in the guys reality he could have had her, had he just acted like a champ and took her there no doubt in my mind thats what she wanted.

here's how it works.

women wont fuck you if they have a reason not too.

therefore, we can deduct, every girl is open to the idea of fucking me, unless i give her a reason or reasons that she shouldnt fuck me.

(given i have two legs, two arms, a cock, and two balls).

so lets use semester grades as a metaphor for how this works.

on the first day of class we are just auto-given an A. and whatever we do from there, can either drop our grade, or maintain that 100% A.

in order for the girl to fuck you, you must maintain above her passing % score. different girls have different scores.

so this means every action you do will either weaken your case in getting laid.

or

just push things along in a direction where you will get laid.

with all this in mind.

be patient. be confident. and just keep going with the flow with the girl.

you will get laid eventually.

this how i pretty much see it now. no more game.

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What kind of jaundiced social conditoning has caused it to be that you can't be open and honest?

Any hot girl is gonna be approached by 10-20 guys in the course of one evening out at a bar or club. She can't invite them ALL back to gangbang the shit out of her and her friends now can she? Well...she can, but that's what happens in porno and not in real life unfortunately! Fact is, she has to figure out some way to sort the guys that are truly alpha from those that are just choads with a nice shirt and some cash in their pocket. She can't actually physically FIGHT them to see who's the strongest, so she tests them MENTALLY by seeing if, and for how long, they'll take her shit tests, false disqualifiers, and other tricks.

ok, girl's POV:

When you call it a "shit test" it has a really negative connotation--as if she's daring you to like her, or as if she just wants to see how beta she can make you. Now there will be some girls who get off on playing you, but I'd say that is the small minority. Often what you call tests are just the girl throwing you stuff, having a conversation, to see if there is any chemistry. Not only that, but if you're going for the quick f-close, you need to create some comfort and rapport, and this is what she is doing too.

Example--this weekend I was out at a day event, sitting with two guys. One was just incompetent, could barely make conversation. The other was goofing with me. And yes, I was picking on him (and he on me), but it was not to knock him down, it was to see what his sense of humor was, whether he could be playful, etc.

So not every test is negative--it's just her means to an end.

Question. From a female POV. Do you flirt with guys at all you have zero interest in on any level? My theory is if they are your friend you are attracted to them at least on some level and if the guy stepped up and was funny, charming , sexual and domanant, from the start then he could probably have make it happen. If you are still flirting with him some he probably could is how I see it.

As far as test I think they are more on an unconscious level, you may not even be fully aware of them. Hell recently a girl I was hanging out with asked me would I keep her ID and money in my pocket while we were out. Now I didn't even think twice about it until a couple weeks later she asked another guy to hold her camera and her licence and ID. I was like you know better than to ask me to hold your camera it's to big and it hit me, it was a test all along, and i was like I see what you are doing and she started smiling. I don't even think she relised she was doing it.

No, I wouldn't "flirt" with someone, friend or no, that I had no intention of taking to another level--why would I? If the flirting worked and the guy became interested, I'd just have to tell him no, and that's drama I don't need. Now that said, can people's behavior, men and women, sometimes be mistaken for flirting? Absolutely, especially if the person is naturally playful all the time. Two good ways to tell the difference--one, watch how she is with other people, and two, try throwing something in the conversation that definitely is NOT something friends would say, something with overt sexual intent--if she stays with you, you're good.

And I'd agree with the 'unconscious test" theory--not too different from what I was thinking.

this is gold dust. I came to the sameOf epiphany just recently. i got friend zone as well, and began to wonder if she was just fucking with me all along. I got angry and thought she was playing me... Of course... She WASN'T playing me at all. She wanted me to sweep her off her feet. I didn't and that's why her attraction switches turned completely off. Realising this has helped me move to the next stage.

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That's actually a very good point. I'm a cashier at a gas station, so I talk to lots and lots of people everyday. I used to mistake some actions as being flirtatious, when it was just that the girl's really friendly.

Personally it's just something I got used to, now I see the difference more easily. Another way to have a hint as to whether or not the girl is flirting, see how she is at the very beginning of the conversation, taking you've never seen that girl before. If at the very start she has flirty eyes or is very friendly and physical, then it's just in her nature. Well, either that or she's drunk. If she gets that way later in the conversation, then there are more chances that she's flirting.

But I'm straying pretty far from the topic here

slang term--> a trick. don't fall for her shit tests, you may think you have her but she is just a trick.