Thanks for the vote of confidence and advice. Ill have to search Kino Escalation and push-pull and see how that all works. They sound familiar, but it's been a while, so a brush up won't hurt...

Thanks again.

Also, now that I think of it...

Would calling her be too pushy/desperate? I mean, I asked her if she wants to come down yesterday and still no response...isn't that kind of a hint to leave her alone?

Would calling her put her on the spot and make her feel uncomfortable? I mean, i don't want to put her on the spot to make her visit...

You know what I'm saying? Or am i completely wrong?

Frame. If your calling her a few days later, just ask if she was coming down because you dont want to make any plans if she is. But if she isnt then just be like cool now I can go out with the guys.

Calling is better because its a voice to voice interaction. You can lead the conversation and create an emotional feeling. If you put her on the spot big deal. She can say either yes or no and you are trivializing her response. Seem like a human, not some phone with text on it that says what you typed. Women can't have an attatchment to words on a screen, but they can to your voice.

Ok, i'm asking around and I'm really getting mixed responses on what I should do. People here are telling me to nut up and just call, whereas my older brother, who has never steered me in the wrong direction in the past says not to call her, and let it go for a little bit. But he did like my idea i had...

She started talking to me when I had gone out with a group of guys from college, one of which i know she's still good friends with. She said that she wasn't able to come out that night because of work, but she'll come out Next Time. I'm thinking about arranging the Next Time. I'll get the guys together, with her invited as well, and we can all go out drinking in either DC, Philly, or NYC. While we're out, I can try to get in a little bit that way, and eventually bring up her coming down to DC.

I kinda like this idea, but I fear falling into the friend zone this way, which is why if she comes out, i'll make the effort to point out my intentions of having her come to DC.

What do you guys think? Good idea? Bad Idea?

Ok, now I think she's just screwing with me....

I gave up on this chick, and a few days later I get a text while I'm at work. Now, my cell is on vibrate and in my coat, so i don't get it until after I leave. Nothing major, just a "Morninggg!", just something to start a conversation.

I respond with "Hey, my phone was on vibrate all day, my bad. what's up?" No response...So the next day I try starting with the same thing "Morninggg!" No response. Again I give up...

Thanksgiving rolls around and I get a "Happy turkey day rob!" Now, at first i thought nothing of it, but then i realized that she actually put my name in it, so it wasn't one of those General Out texts that she sent to a bunch of her friends at the same time. She actually made the conscious effort to text ME a happy thanks giving. So, i wait about 5 hours and text back a simple "Happy Thanksgiving to you too amanda!"

The next night, at around midnight i get a text message "You up?" Now, i was sleeping and didn't get it until I woke up. Once i saw it, I responded with "I am now, whats up?"...no response...Couple hours later I follow up with "You know, it's not everyday i get a text from you in the middle of the night...is everything ok?"

I get a simple "Yea". Little more time passes and i try to spark up more conversation with "Tell me, what was sooo important that you had to try to wake me up in the middle of the night just to tell me?". And again, no response....

Is she FVCKING with me or what?! I'm not even crazy about this chick, i just want her to come to DC to visit and see if we get along and maybe like eachother a little. what the hell do i gotta do to get that set up?!

I had one or two ideas of what to do next, gimme your opinion...

I read another thread here that had a good idea, i thought. Shoot her a text asking "If she got my drunken text a few days ago"...yadda yadda..."No"..."Oh, good"..."what did it say?"...and we can just go off of that. just something to get some fun conversation going, get her thinking of me, and maybe lead to another invite down to DC.

Or i can just start chatting with "How was your thanksgiving?"..."Good, how was yours?"..."Good, i went into DC for the first time and had a blast...I came across a bunch of museums that i really thought you would like since you're looking to be a teacher and all"...She shows some interest and I invite her for a trip that way.

What do you guys think of my ideas? Should i go with one or the other? Or do you have any other ideas?

I'm looking to wrap this up soon, date or no date. Any and all advice would be appreciated.

Anybody? Any advice?

Stop with the gay texting. If you want to game this girl, you're not gonna get her clothes off by texting her. I would freeze her out immediately, i.e. DON'T respond to any of her lame texts for the next few days. After a few days actually CALL her and make some kind of day 2 plan so you can kino escalate and build attraction and comfort. A good day 2 is something like going bowling, playing pool, going shopping, and it's often a good idea to say "I'm going to X with some friends it's gonna be fun you should come." You can then isolate later on and build comfort one on one.

i only use texting because that's usually her preferred means of communication. I'm just trying to use a way that's comfortable with her...

And is the DC idea a bad idea for a first date? I'm trying to get the guys together to go drinking in Philly. Would that be a good "Tag Along" scenario to get her into?

I read this entire thread. . . it's been painful reading it. You might as well be reciting Shakespeare to a telephone pole. I can imagine how frustrated you must be. I seldom tell people to "give up" on a girl because in most cases, I think guys tend to give up too early, not even realizing that they didn't even begin gaming a girl.

However in your case, you're just aimlessly running in a hamster wheel, going no where, accomplishing NOTHING, but at the same time expending so much energy. Just hang up your PUA boxing gloves for now. Stop pretending that you're doing anything remotely close to bringing two people closer together and just breathe; empty your mind of ANYTHING you think has anything to do with pick up and just start from scratch. Start reading up on Pick Up. You can begin by reading random threads on this forum. Just get a feel for what this is all about.

1. You knew this weirdo girl since college. Don't worry, she'll be around for many, many years.

2. For you to focus on one screwy girl, who you hardly know, who lives hours away tells me something in your head isn't spinning right. Breathe and mediate on your thought process and your actions. MD is void of women? Is this girl your "soul mate"? What is going on here?

3. You're young and you have plenty of time to work on our little game. Seriously, don't take this as an insult. You just HAVE TO get the hell out of your hamster wheel. You're so busy running in it, I'm not sure if you have the energy to think clearly. Start with, "OK . . . I know nothing. Where should I begin?" If you can do this, you'll be on your way in less than a week. If you choose to stay in your hamster exerciser, you could be running in place for ever.

Yeah, I'm giving up on this chick. I told her how i went to DC and saw a bunch of museums that she might be interested in seeing since she's looking to be a teacher and she responded with "Well, that's quite cute of you..."

Boom! She thinks i'm cute, but when we chat a little more and i bring up her coming to visit...No response...yet again....

Now, i fully admit that I know nothing, and I am officially done with this chick, unless you guys here have some real advice that could help move this forward...

So, unless you guys have more advice that would actually get this moving forward, I'm done....

^ I didn't mean, "give up on this chick". . . I meant give up on PICK UP. (for the time being)

Tid bits of advice isn't going to help you at all. You never gave yourself an opportunity to learn ANY of this. Go pick up a book. Read it cover to cover . . . At the very least, study "something" . . .

I know exactly how you feel. And I see where i'll be heading if I don't change something with one girl as well.

What I think is, that you had very good ideas, but it was a bit difficult to make them real. Just because you got too attached. That led to using the same routine/stereotype, which worked for the first time (texts...). But unfortunately, isn't working anymore. The same things don't work twice and you don't get the second chance very often. True story.

What I would do if I were you is, that I would try to concentrate on some other girls. Just to let her go out of your mind a bit, to "breathe some fresh air" and get more confidence. Live your life mate, flirt with other girls and you'll see that one of this will happen:

1. you'll lose interest in your girl because you'll realise that she isn't that special
2. you'll get new energy to get her which will help you to do something totally different and unexpected

Much luck

Have you read this thread? Is there anything in this thread that would lead you to believe that our OP is capable(at the moment) of concentrating on a girl, let alone multiple girls?

I know that "Hit on other multiple other girls" is the popular "go-to" panacea in the World of PU for just about any problems regarding chicks but it really doesn't apply here. The OP is missing some basic core skill sets in regards to pick up and trying to figure this out while rampaging through multiple girls is just not realistic.

He needs to "re-wire" his brain and change his thought patterns. In order to do this, I think it helps to STOP sending electrical signals to his existing pathways. Stop thinking about chicks. Stop thinking about a strategy. Stop thinking about relationships. It's clear to me that when these thoughts rise, the OP's habitual thought patterns continue on its regular cycle, leading to more misery.

I'm not asking for 10 to 12 years. In fact, some can accomplish "re-wiring" in a blink of an eye. This isn't so tough. newbguy, do yourself a favor and just read some PU material with an open mind for a week or two. That's all. Give yourself a rest, re-frame . . . then go out and pounce on em'. You can do this . . .

Of course I have. I didn't mean to hit on other girls and to sleep with them. Just to talk to them and maybe flirt with them a bit. He won't be attached to that girls, so I think that it would be much easier to be relaxed and not to think about any strategy. And I suppose that this is one of the possible ways how to get out of the stereotype and start "re-wiring" the brain.

I know that everyone is different, but this is what has helped me.