There are a couple of HBs I know from a few months ago, when I was still an AFC and making many classic mistakes with girls I was really attracted to. Fortunately, I've now found this community and started learning ways to change certain behaviors of mine and fill various holes in my game. So I'm wondering, might it now be possible to change these HBs' perception of me? I still text, from time to time, with both of them, but I don't know if I screwed up the situation beyond repair by having made myself too available to them -- and by allowing *them* to qualify *me* -- back when I was an AFC. If so, no problem -- I'm gaming other HBs now. But if there's a way to salvage the situation with these "HBs from a past life", I think it might be worth a try. Thanks for your thoughts.

Speaking from some experiance, yes you can. Get a haircut, and get some new clothes that slightly alter your normal style. Get some peacocking stuff too. Its the equivalent of your friend getting a new car. (you probably don't even realize it, but he is the same person with either greater or lower value) Its a kind of a sub communication that you can intentionally project. This will also work when trying to break out of the LJBF zone. Keep upping your value, being alpha, and pushing forward with no regrets. If you make yourself believe just one time that this works, it will, and you can use that victory to cash in some more.

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You make some great points, SUB-ZERO -- thanks -- and I've been working hard to subtly improve my style. I believe I've gotten to a good point with that. So the most pressing issue for me now is how to get these HBs to lay eyes (and other things, but first the eyes) on me and my upped-value alphaness. For the moment I'm reduced to a text game, because both girls have all their calls bounce straight to voice mail. I'm trying to work towards Day 2s, but I feel really hamstrung since I think I'm still stuck in the LJBF zone, and so far I haven't gotten enough give-and-take from these girls to up my value in their minds. I suppose the answer is just to keep judiciously plugging away, but I'd love to hear opinions on this.

The best way is to go away for a while or at least minimize contact. Then come back as a new man. Better clothing, more confidence, doesn't give a shit, etc.

Change you Facebook to reflect these changes so.

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I agree...go out and game other chicks first, work on your skills and image. and then when your ready come back to these other chicks, put them on the back burner kinda thing

Much appreciated, GirlCatcher and Fattie -- thanks for the excellent suggestion. I'm gonna do just that.