This is just personal attacks.

Attacking for me being young? I mean what's your point of doing it?

Call me immature, I call you a big douchebag. I can not see how your bullshitting on me being young have anything to do with the thread. I believe it's you who ia pretty immature, for doing personal attacks on somoene for just being young (like if that were a big problem?) even if it's far from being related to the thread.

And...

Who still pretends women does not have sex out of horniness. Amd pretending so, doesn't mean I am immature. Because most scientifiques do agree (included Adam Lyons) that lays comes out of horniness.

Enjoy your lays without arousal, they are surely really good!

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Well i am really glad that a lot of people are agreeing with me about my opinions on AFC Adam.
Even in the video that was posted from himself in the thread above, he tells you to go to a girls house and watch a video late at night. This isn't exactly anything new.
Adam does not have the same charisma as Mystery and is a social networker, NOT a seducer.
It annoys me that every person coming into the community tries to sell the emperors new clothes with ridiculous formulas or "Tips the other gurus don't want you to see"

Having dismissed Ross Jeffries because he is for all accounts an arsehole, i must say going over his stuff, he has some great language patters and questions that open women up really easily and project emotions over.

Instead of bashing on any one guru, I try to find out what I can take away from this person. I respect that everyone has different kinds of styles. So be it if Adam uses social circle to get girls. In my opinion that's working smarter and no harder.

Every one is entitled to there opinion.

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Understood. Its teaching social proof that i find redundant.

Damn it Hobbit, you did it to me again. I was going to leave this thread alone because clearly . . . (you know the rest but he doesn't)

And I am not trying to convince our young friend of anything because as I wrote, he'll have to wait another 10 to 12 years to even understand his own humor. Everything I've written is for the benefit of members of this forum. You probably know that . . .

Just to clarify:

Age is an important factor here. My point is that younger newbies should take a close look at TVS's style and try to emulate it. There is a reason why all the more successful younger guys go this route.(Plenty of examples right here on this forum)

And there's a reason why so many young kids trip over themselves going the "value" route. Not to pick on TVS but seriously . . . LOL, lol, lol . . .can any of here ever imagine anything like this being dhv to anybody?
My 12 year old nephew would chuckle himself to death had he heard the above . . . Of course the DHV route won't work for TVS. This is like a monkey tearing up a book because he can't read it.

Anyhow:


I disagree. I think it's cool that this kid (and others) show so much passion their games

And this:


I think this is OK too . . .

This entire thread is a "dismissal of other styles". This Adam guy isn't here to defend himself so there hasn't been much friction. However, if you're going to stand up on a soap box and lecture this board about how one style of game sucks, why not defend your stance with logic and specific cases or examples? (As the OP has done)

Hi, I didn't plan answering more. But what you are saying is so wrong. Let me correct you.

This doesn't benefit for other members.
A girl won't get wet out of your social proof? or social value? If so please let me know.

My big passion (more than pick up) is sexology, and doing researches on sexuality.

And in order to get laid, the person need to be aroused. I am not bashing the fact of social value! I have used it, and got results with it (but as I said earlier, weren't as high as now) http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/se ... 6dateto%3D

But in some way you need to get sexual. You need to escalate your way to sex, you need to make her horny to get laid.

Female got one drive, which makes them having sex: Arousal (strong), or in order to keep you as a provider.
Seeking provider isn't the primary outcome a girl wants out of sex, but something she tries to benefit out of the sex. Sexual, and mental satisfaction comes first, and then she will focus on getting you in order to get a provider. This is not my words, these are from Franco, who is a doctor, and author or the book "practical female psychology, for the practical man"

Males: Ego drive, and arousal.

Infact arousal is the most important of it.

"Sexual arousal, or sexual excitement, is the arousal of sexual desires in anticipation for sexual activity. Things that precipitate human sexual arousal are colloquially known as turn-ons. Sexual arousal usually leads to physiological changes in the aroused person, some of which are pronounced while others are more subtle."

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_arousal


You get a girl home, and she isn't aroused, she will not get wet. This will make it really difficult for you to lay her if she is not wet (physically difficult). Now don't say you have lubes.... because a girl will not let you fuck her, unless it's a hooker.

No arousement no sex. To arouse you need to get sexual.

Social proove, creates compliance, and will give you bigger chances that she selects you in order to satisfie her sexual needs. Now, value plays a bigger role in a LTR. A girl goes out to the club for having fun, getting attention or getting laid.

In NO way seeking ltr's (exceptions does always excist)

Social proof and social value, is generating compliance which can allow you to get sexual.

Here is a PM from AFCadam:
"It truly does change man.

I thought I'd love fucking lots of different girls. After a while it just becomes samey. Pussy is just pussy.

I teach people to build social lives where they meet more and more women.

And to open in a non threatening way to give you a better chance to hook at which point you get sexual with them. Using the social proof of you getting sexual with other girls so they give you compliance allowing you to fuck multiple girls in the same group.

personally I prefer MLTR's to ONS because you never know if the girl has got something nasty.

But this is a personal prefference.

As I said it doesn't affect what I teach others."

In which way? I surely do agree I can not provide a girl economicly. I do agree that maybe DHV's might be more powerful for older persons. Still I do disagree that DHV's won't work on younger persons.

But I do believe, that if they want to DHV, they need to DHV a different way.
Social value plays a big role for young persons. Look at high schools and colleges?

Who went with who, oh he is cool, etc..
Woot?
Now, they did work, but weren't that efficient. I know a lot of odler pua's who struggles with it. But I can agree, as I said above, that they might work better for older people!

STILL, the sexual way works for both old and young. A young lady have big fantasies on having sex with an older dude, the "daddy frame" comes up easely, and the older, the more dominant often. Many women get turned on a lot with dominance (referring to my secret garden by nancy friday, and David Shade)



Yeah
To hobbit, I haven't done so, it's just the fact that every creators of any kind of pu system do agree that in some points, you need to focus on getting the girl aroused. It's very shocking that somoene disagrees with it.
No of course not, why should he?
It's not him talking bullshit, it's you.

It's fine that you have an issue with my age. Apparently, in no of your reply, you actually discussed my points. All you keep doing is looking down on my age. This is very immature itself.

Instead of disagreeing with my points in my replies, you just keep bashing, which is very insecure of you. Come on dude, don't let your ego smash in that much!

Keep to the point.

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kasabi,

It seems to me that if anyone is being immature in this thread, it's you.

Your posts seem to be a collection of personal attacks on TVA, and seemingly illogical arguments such as getting sexual not being a requirement for having sex.

It's quite clear to anyone reading that you have a massive ego problem - you stink of self-superiority, a very clear LSE indicator.

If you drop me a PM I can suggest some excercises for you to help.

Rags

^ LOL . . . tva,

Print out the above as well. This too should provide you with years of laughter. . . (again, probably beginning in about 10 years or so . . .)

In closing, I hope this thread sheds some light on the importance of balance, open mindedness, and stability. But more importantly, I hope members will realize the effectiveness of the "highly sexual" game. If a jittery immature kid with absolutely NO OTHER GAME and nothing of value, either real or demonstrable can get laid with this method, ANYBODY can get laid too.

Read up on it. . . and swing for the fences.

Kasabi, I have to doubt TVA is arguing that sexual state is all that is needed.

But I would like to see you actually express your arguments more plainly rather than just dish out the...

You are misguided... why you ask?... well... ...becuase I'm more mature... ....HA HA HA! *leaves thread*

I like your thinking kasabi, I'd just like to see it more often.

Funny how he still argues that making women wet in order to fuck them, isn't required.

I mean come on.

I will print it, and i hope that i will laught reading that i was prentending women have to be wet to have sex.

And that the only way to make them naturally wet is to act sexual in order to arouse.

I hope I will laugh.

MY question to you is, is your goal discussing, OR just bashing?

I am coming with arguement, you only answer with flames. NO intent.

If you keep doing so, I will not keep replying to you, and spend my time doing so. It's really sad a "forum leader" is not able to come up with any serious arguments. You are not disagreeing with my points apparantly, because you have no arguments about it. And me being immature IS NOT a good argument.

Be more serious, discuss, stopp flaming. Thanks

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Thanks for being an analytical and clear minded as always Fin. I have said it already in this thread, but I will repeat myself since i doubt you bother read thought all the replies.

Personally, I like being sexual, being sexual can be all you need if you want to do it this way. I personally like it.

Still, this is not the point I want to bring.

I like AFCadams view. Without being a fan of his work.
Getting social proof to get the compliance in order to isolate and escalate. Wow this isn't rockett science but very true.

He gets her attract and isolated, and then turn sexual. Let's look at his model.

(C – R) + Q + SE = A

(Comfort + rapport) + Qualification + sexual intent = Attraction

Or mystery method

Attraction 1,2,3 Comfort 1,2,3 Seduction/Sexual 1,2,3

Or gwm.

Rapport - Isolation - Dominant frame + Sexual state

I am no fan of these method, even if I do like GWM a lot.
BUT this prooves that EVERY methods so far claims they need sexual intent.

Now, I can't see how this can be immature!

I would, admit being immature, IF, kasabi, for one time, write a serious comment with serious arguements other than bashing on why "the sexual part" isn't required, and not one more time "it's just you being immature, you will not understand.

If I am wrong, which i doubt I am, flaming will not help me (let's agree, the forum has a goal for discussing and helping each other, so far kasabi is failing hardly) from improving.

Thanks

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TVA It depends on your goal, a lady of 33-4 who has a profesional career, a flat, friends, is trying to keep her social ladder under control while clime the professional one, will find it difficult to take you serious as anything other than a toy boy to be discarded when impractical or discovered and bad for her image.

Sexual state gives you one thing sex, but you may find yourself getting passed up for more respectable suitors.

Good points.
I am not sure if ladies at 33-40 are all like this. Maybe half of them?

Because cougars and milfs are pretty easy targets on the meat markett when it comes to one night stands. They are sexually confident, they know what they want and they do it. And yes I appear as boy toy. Now I have claimed myself being a boy toy, this is my goal. I don't see anything negative with it, if thats your goal. Before I have sex with a girl... i tell her my 2 rules:

"everything between me and you, stays between me and you"

"release yourself, i'm you toy!"

Now, when we get into relationships, I believe social value other than sex plays a role, especially for older women (still, young women seeks it aswell). Still I understand how displaying value can help here. But here is a different way of doing it. This is also what my friend sleazy has done for getting his GF. He is now 30, and very happy and might marry her (he met her at a club, and fucked her in bathroom after 10 minutes of meeting her).

Sex isa very important aspect of a relationship. Bad sex, is a bad relationship.
Personally I do believe Emotional conenction > Value

Best way to create emotional connection is while having sex, but then you have to fuck her in a seductive and lover way. Then after the sex, you talk about childhood and stuff. Emotional connection.

And then over this, you display some value.

SEX => emotional connection => value display

This is the way i do it. It worked.

And i see exactly how your version works aswell. I guess it works as good. Still I admit it, that if you go for ONS's (which is my goal) sexual game might be a big advantage.

Your version might go like that

Value => sex=> emotional connection?

I explained above how it can give you FB's, (I had many FB's that way) and I got now a mltr with 2 girls who are older than me (but still young), and both a sexually opened up and up for threesomes. This is awesome.

And last thing, sexual state = projection of your state which is sexual

My thing is sexual game. Play with sexuality as a primary goal to attract women.
In this you find:
Sexual framing
Sex talk
Sexual tension
Dirty talking
Sexual state projection


Just a quick brief

But last note, as I wrote the replies to this post, I admit having one night stands as the main idea back in my head.

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30 Year old at a dinner party:

So who's your date?

Oh that's Chris, yeah he's 20 still a student, but he's captain of the football team and his average score in psychology right now is 19/20! Plus he's very cultured and a good fuck. He's the most popular guy on his campus!

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So who's your date?

Oh thats Brian, he runs his own company selling dentures, he's trying to expand right now so there is a lot fo travelling to meet some potential partners, but he gets to choose his own working hours, which makes up for it.

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One of those options will get a smile and a continue of conversation, another will get a double edged smirk.

Fact is a 20 year old has very little to offer someone in their 30's outside of sex.


As women start to hit that age, things outside mere sexual pleasure and conversation become more important. Namely financial and social stability. These become turn ons, and also must have traits.

Do you feel ready to get a house, mortgage, ready to help reel in the cash required to keep the house afloat?

Becuase here's the big news, thats what those relationsips are about, once you get passed all the flirting and the dating and get to the nitty gritty part, it is two people trying to survive, you love eachother, but more than anything you become dependant on eachother, so she needs you to be dependable and by that I don't mean turning up on time to meet her after the geology lecture!

If she feels that you cannot provide for her as a partner you're gone.

She may think you are hot, she may feel connected to you, but if your not the kind of person who will provide for her -in the REAL sense of the word- or garner respect in her world; she may just ditch you on the grounds that you aren't the kind of person she should be seen associating with.

And I'm going to point out I don't have a system, every girl is in a different position has different needs, and different feelings, if you really think you have found a system or an equation, your just fucking delluding yourself.

PU is not about how things go to plan, it's about how things don't go to plan and how you deal with them.

Ultimatly, Individual differences, and circumstancial differences combined with the complexity that sexuality has means that any rule that you or I may provide is limited from the get go.
Any rules in the community are specefic to particular situations, and are not universal constants for dating and relationships.

I wouldn't like to put an upper (or lower, apart from legal considerations) limit on the girls who I'm attracted to... but I very much doubt that even when I'm 70 I'll be explicitly targeting women over the age of 30.

Each to their own of course.