The F-close...

Sure I enjoy it as much as everybody else.

Still I see a trend in the young PUAs, the new ones. I was there (still am sometimes). The F-close is like beating the game. It is beating the final boss on the last level. In the olden days I used to (as I know that you do) go for every opportunity that I had. I used to put amazing amounts of effort into it, every new set was the chance to get there.

Technically this is still true. But I realized that very few of the F-closes has actually meant anything at all. Most were just fun for the moment and the forgotten, I cannot even remember the faces of the girls anymore. Not even their names (unless I wold have saved their numbers in my phone).

My point is that even a F-close can be completely meaningless. When you progress in the game you realize that when it is easier to get somewhere with a girl you can afford to be more selective. This is what we try to show in field but our hunger for validation does not keep up. We still want the F-close for validation reasons. When our inner game catches up with our outer game we realize that we do not have to go all the way. We do not even have to care about the successes we get. Personally I dont call even 10 % of the numbers I get, maybe not even 5%. They just arent worth it, if they want some they have to be excellent or work for it.

So what I am saying is that as your game gets better and better you will find that what you used to hunt for is not what you really need anymore, you have outgrown it. You may want to go for the real deal. A girl that is actually worthy of your attentions.

Ezo

I go for the F-close because I like meaningless sex. The F-close IS the that final boss I enjoy the journey I have to take to conquer it.

It means that my inner game has been up to speed for some time without me realizing it. I just recently realized how many changes there have been, how much better I feel about myself when I dont HAVE to F-close every possible chance I get.

And I wanna help other people out as well. Having sex for validation is not healthy...

I used to think sex was a sacred act between two (or more ) people, but since my last relationship which ended up really badly (i would consider this the turning point from AFC into the beginnings of PUA, i read The Game very shortly afterwards)..

But since starting PUA, i've found the whole sequence of interaction between a complete stranger you are attracted to be just meaningless.. even natural game has got an element of pre-calculated routines, and canned stuff - well, its tried, tested, and it works..
So in the end, if you've come across attractive, which will come naturally, these pre-calculated thoughts will have a positive result.
This is why I sometimes like to be totally blown out, it sorta brings me back down to earth..

After talking and meeting a few PUA friends of mine, we've agreed on atleast one thing:

PU is like a drug, you get addicted to it, it gives you a great natural high. After a while you have to start moving up in the stages.. from where a #close is the goal, to k-close, f-close.. f-close 2 Hbs etc.. but like narcotics, you lose the high - and then it drags you on a downer..

After a while.. the high is difficult to retain.. when that happens, i think it's time to look for the one.

-Seb

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I see what you mean... But this is the point that I am trying to make. You say that you get addicted to PU... In a way it is true but I would say that what you are really addicted to is the validation you get from getting the female appreciation. For many of us it is very strong since we are starved, we didnt have much success before the PU training and we are desperate to get what we have always valued soo high because of its scarcity. When we realize that it is more abundant it also loses value for us, it becomes less important...

It's actually scary how much this makes sence..

but I suppose it is natural to feel that everything becomes devalued when you realise how much is on offer..

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i agree with you guys that sex for validation is not healthy.

the global economy is based on profitability, and across the board, i'm finding more and more that SEX SELLS. as a result, companies looking to sell products or increase ratings try to infuse us with a desire for sex beyond what is already naturally there. the stronger the desire for sex, the more the average person consumes. the more the average person consumes, the more the company profits.

our libidos are like our stomachs. the more you feed it, the bigger it grows and the more it wants. just like with pornography, you start off with just naked women dancing, and before you know it your into some crazy dirty stuff. it's a never ending cycle.

sex is like fire. if it is not contained, it can destroy a lot of things in your life. but if you can keep it contained, it can enrich your life.

you wouldnt realize it from reading magazines, listening to music, or watching TV & movies... but there is actually more to life than sex

i feel like i'm blessed to have learned this at a young age. a lot of people learn this the hard way, and my heart goes out to them.

Fair point, but I think "controlled" is a better word to use than "contained" in that second last statement of yours..

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