So I invite this girl (hb 8.5) who I have been txting for a couple of months since I met her at a BBQ out to the movies (by the way taking a girl to the movies on a first date is a bad idea because you don't really interact with her that much since you both have to see the movie. I just found that out yesterday.) and I take my friend and his girlfriend too since HB8.5s mom won't let her go out by herself. Anyways when we go pick her up at the beginning I didn't really talk to her that much only briefly and threw in some cocky funny in there too. It was when we almost got to the theater that I really started interacting more with her. So when we get to the movies I buy her ticket and basically lead the way. Then she goes and sits on a bench and my friends girlfriend goes and sits on another one with him and I tell hb8.5 here I'll sit with you so you won't be lonly and she smiles and laughs and says ok thank you. Then from their I'm being really cocky funny. Like she tells me how her eyes are burning. I ask her why and she says that it's because it's cold and that when she was little she would wear prescription eye glasses when she try And play secretary. I laugh and tell her when I was little I use to play house with all the girls in my neighborhood and I use to be the dad, and all the girls wanted to be the mom. She justs starts to crack up. Then I think there was a point where I got alittle too cocky. And she says even in person you can't stop being so concieted. I told her that I only do it to be funny. And she says well I'm going to tell you right now I do not like conceited people. And I told her that I only do it to be funny but I don't think higher of myself than I really am and that being cocky funny is who I really am ever since I was little (I wasn't lying either) but I'm also very serious.

She says like alright it's just that she knows some concieted people who treat others bad cus they think people are lower than them. We finnaly enter the movie room and it was packed. My friends girlfriend says we can sit on the top but well be seperated. HB8.5 says I don't care however you guys want to do it.

I say no let's stick together so we go and sit at the front. Then I basically tell hb8.5 who I really am which Is that I'm very religious and I like reading the bible and even my friends that I hang out with in school are very religious. She seems amazed at this, I don't know if it was a dhv or not.

Well the movie starts and her mom calls her, I start cracking up and she says playfully don't laugh omg how embarrasing. A few minutes after that I tell her, hey you look really cute and when I got out of the car and I saw you I was just like wow I didn't remember you so cute. She says thank you your going to make me blush, and then she's like I wonder what my mom wanted. Later she goes to the bathroom and asks me to watch her purse, she leaves it on her seat and leaves but I grab it and give it to her when she comes back. Throughout the whole movie I'm basically kinda quite and just throw in a few comments here and there about the movie because I couldnt think of anything to talk about, and she mostly just talks to my friends girlfriend. Alright now the part...

When the movie ends we go out side and she says she's cold and my friends say give her your sweater, I was already going to do it regardless if they told me or not. But she doesn't want to take it, I say it's fine i'm not really cold and I just give it to her. Then I isolate her I tell her to come with me she comes and I tell her you know I like you do you want to be my girlfriend? She says its just that I think it's too fast you've only seen me twice and we've talked on the phone only three times. I say well we've txted alot. She goes well what do you like about me I tell her I like her personality and how when we talk were always just having fun. So do you want To try it? She says idk i just think its too fast. I say ok and we walk back to my friends. Funny thing is though I thought I would be crushed and sad If she said no to me but honestly I feel great! maybe it's because I already have a girlfriend but idk. Then I just talk to my friend while hb8.5 and his girlfriend just talk to each other (probably about what I had just said) me and my friend walk around and for some reason idk why I feel really good ( can someone explain why I feel good please because I don't even understand it.) and I'm just cracking jokes an having a good time with my friend right infront of HB8.5 and his girlfriend. And I catch HB 8.5 starring at me a couple times. Anyways my dad comes and picks us up and I'm just cracking jockes in there too I even make fun of Hb8.5 because when she puts on the hood of my white sweater it looks kinda pointy and I yell out KKK and everybody starts cracking up except for her because she doesn't get it, I tell her why were laughing at her and she takes the hood off and says your mean. Then I get quite cus I'm falling asleep and basically I'm barley even putting any attention to HB 8.5 like when she's talking I barley even look at her but out of the corner of my eyes I see her looking at me to see if I'm looking at her.

We get to my friends house where HB 8.5 is going to spend the night and she asks me, your not going to spend the night over? I tell her no I have alot of homework I hug her goodbye and take my sweater of her and then I say goodbye to my friends.

She calls me later cus she thinks I'm mad and that I hate her. I promise her that I don't hate her and she asks me if I was sad, and I didn't know what to say cus I didn't want to say I was sad cus I really wasn't and I didnt want to say I was happy because just incase there's hope of her actually being my girlfriend. So I just say umm I don't know. She asks me what would you have done if I would have said yes? I tell her idk I probably would have been real happy. She then asks me well how come your not mad at me or sad? I tell her well why should I be? Now I know that youre not attracted to me and she says, how do you know that? I tell her well that's what I assumed. She says she told me no because she feels like I'm out of her league cus she's never had a boyfriend before and she's new to all this she then says that she's having problems with another guy aswell who likes her and told her that if she ever got with someone else that he would hate her and she used to have feelings for him. I ask her if she still does and she says that she doesn't know that she might but also she's afraid of him. I tell her that he sounds like prince charming.

Abit later my phone dies and I go plug it in and call her back and tease her that she hung up on me. Then I tell her no my phone died and she says see it was your fault, I tell her no your the reason it ran out of battery. And she says I care about you and your going to tell me that, I ask her how do you care about me, she says I just do ( idk if she said it playfully or if she was Being serious). She asked me why I didn't want to stay and I told her again that I had homework and she thought that I hated her because I she felt me different. I told her that I didn't and that I didn't really cared and if she just wanted to be friends that it was ok with me. She asked me if I was serious and I told her yeah really. We just talked playfully after that like were whispering when we didn't really have to and then she had to go and we said goodnight.

Sorry for making it really long I just wanted to include every little detail. If you've read it up till this point thank you very much. So what do you guys think? What could I have done better? And why am I happy that she rejected me?

Jesus Christ bananas.

You do all the hard work to isolate her, then drop the 'I really like you and I want to you to be my girlfriend!'

What you should have done at that point was forcing your tongue down her throat. Well, kissing her in some way at least. Ha ha.

Young man, this girl is giving you a big green light to make a move on her.

At the minute, you are engaging her on a purely logical level.

'Do you like me?'
'I thought you weren't attracted to me because you wouldn't be my girlfriend.'
'How do I know you like me, you haven't said you have yet?'

GIRLS DO NOT RESPOND TO LOGIC. THEY RESPOND TO EMOTION.

STOP this shit right now! This girl is telling you through her ACTIONS that you're driving her nuts and making her horny. She wants you to step up to the mantle and sweep her off her feet. She WANTS to be your girlfriend, but she isn't going to just outwardly say so because of social conditioning.

In conclusion. She hasn't FUCKING rejected you. Step it up man.

Make her forget about that other guy.

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Don't you think I would have kissed her if I could have. The only reason I didn't kiss her is because she's never kissed a guy before I don't just want to kiss her out of the blue. I want her to remember her first kiss and how spectacular it was and the guy that gave it to her. I thought about this I looked at it from her point if. If you've never kissed anyone wouldn't you want to remember your first kiss as amazing? I was thinking about taking her out to the park or somewhere under the stars or something along those lines not just in a movie theater

OMG, young man you have spent too much time watching the walt disney movies.

It doesn't happen like this in real life. Look, if you think like this you will be waiting and waiting and waiting for that PERFECT opportunity to kiss her.

In the mean time a jerk will just go in and do it and you WILL BE FORGOTTEN.

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Yeah probably I'm a senior in high school by the way. Also can I ask you something I read your post on the girl u picked up on the bus. Now how can you be giving me advice when this girl flaked on you more than once and you weren't even sure about how to attract her?

Because like you, I'm under going a change of mindset. I'm not afraid to admit I have a lot to learn. Life is a learning process.

I don't think you should be questioning whether or not I am qualified to give you advice. All you need to do is re-read my advice, then make a conscious to decision and ask yourself out of context:

'Does his advice make sense? Has playing the nice guy worked in the past? Is the real reason why I am questioning this guy's advice is because deep down I reckon it is true and may be I am struggling to confront this truth?'

Once you have answered these questions to yourself, think up a plan and move on.

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Tweeby is spot on.

Why come to a forum, spend ages typing a really long post, and then attack somebody about their failings when they try to help you?

If you're serious about self improvement then you're gonna have to learn how to take constructive criticism.

The fact that she called you after your retarded confession of your gay little feelings should give you the confidence that she is clearly attracted, even more so after she said you're "out of her league."

My specific advice for this situation would be to freeze her out a while and game other women. When she contacts you, then re-initiate and try and do a day3 that gives you more opportunity to kino escalate. You need to build more comfort with her so that she's not thinking about "big steps" but instead is comfortable around you and willing to be LEAD forward towards sex by you. In general, DON'T EVER ask a girl if you can do anything (or try to convince her) - buy her dinner, kiss her, be her boyfriend etc. LEAD with confident actions and she will follow.

A couple of other things I noticed

Is it a DHV to talk about you being religious? Only if she is. Better to say "spiritual" to hedge your bets because even if she's not most girls say they are "spiritual" and they love shit like fate and destiny and all that crap you bible bashing jesus freaks delude yourselves about.

The stuff about when you guys were kids is great comfort building material. The playing house story is a great one because it's got a nice preselection DHV in there and getting her talking about her childhood gives you the opportunity to connect with her. This is NOT the time to start negging and doing c+f. That shit is mainly for attraction / rapport building, etc. Once you're doing a comfort story like that, it's better to actually qualify her. Don't neg her when she opens up and talks about an embarrassing thing about her childhood, give something back instead. (Your instinct was actually very good in this case because your story was actually not embarassing but showed that girls have been attracted to you from an early age.) She's not gonna open up again like that to you if you make fun of her about it every time.

Telling her you forgot how cute she was = GAY as FUCK. Don't throw out a compliment until she's actually DONE something that makes her GOOD. Even so, NEVER compliment on physical appearance. They get that shit 24/7 and it's more likely to hurt than help.

Why freeze her out, blondeguy? She's already really into him he could do anything he wants to do and he could have her.

Umm thanks blondguy for your feedback I really apreciate that u read the post and gave suggestions but I wasn't attacking tweeby I was marely asking a question on the contrary you were attacking me, calling me gay and making fun of my religion, also when in my story does it say that I negged her when she told me about her childhood?

Also I'm not gaming a 25 year old she's 16 I'm 17 and I'm nor looking to have sex with her I'm looking to get her as a girlfriend.

And she txted me again today asking how my morning was going. I don't know what she is trying to say. Does she like me or is she only saying these things because maybe she feels bad cus she thinks I'm sad cause she said no to me?I

She likes you just go and make a move on her