First I'd like to thank Kata124 and HiT for some of their techniques. I felt really lame using them at first but it ended up turning out alright as time passed. I met this girl online, I'm more attracted to her brain than anything else. Here is the convo it went well but I'm look for some constructive criticism.

Me: After an extremely brief overview of your profile, I wanted to let you know I have already married and divorced you in my mind.

Thanks for all the wonderful imaginary memories... you will always have a special place in my heart....sike!. Good Night

your ex-hubby,

Her:haha, really?
sounds traumatizing.
maybe we should get a drink to see if we can work things out?

(I didn't realize it till later, but she was already down to go out at this point, which kinda bothers me)

Me: HA! Drink!? Are you saying you didn't have enough with the my best-friend Jake the night I caught you two?

BTW You can keep the house in Hawaii but I am going to need half our money according to our prenup.

Her:you're damn right i get that house.
the money...you can have half of what i haven't spent. which is around $5k in credit card debt. it's yours, baby.

Me:psh, The money means nothing to me and I hated the house in Lahaina, HI anyway. Our cabin in the Montana mountains is now my house.

You know, this doesn't have to end bitterly. Remember the good times? Coordinating the migrant rights protests in Guatemala? The romantic dinners? Me finally learning to dance(sober)? Our pillow fights before the great sex?

(I tailored some of this to info thats in her profile)

Her: You always were endearing.

But nonetheless, I don't know if I can ever trust you again after finding that bottle of baby formula in your make up case. And that weak excuse about it "giving you all the added nutrition of mother's love" was so transparent! I know you were feeding those stray chickens.

(I still laugh at this one)

Me: LMAO, I did not see this one coming at all. Oh man, thats good.

Do you normally get messages this interesting?Something tells me that you’re probably getting several email a day from loser guys saying things like “Hi, I’m a total asshat ThAt TyP3s like a HamStr3 on crack oh by teh wey I r hornay let5 m4ke s0m3 SEX…” etc.

In any event, I’m 20, have my life together, and I’m more than the usual amount of interesting and funny, so you’d better like to laugh. You seem like you might make an interesting friend, so if you'd like to know more about all that is NAME(well, not ALL I ain't that easy) ask away...

Her: Yes, actually, those are exactly the messages I get. Yours was refreshing.

Well, now I see why you sidestepped my invitation for a drink. I'm sure I'd like to know more about you, but I think it'd be more exciting if it came out organically. Really, if you're into it, let's have coffee or stage a chance run in at babyGap or, you know, something. Up for it?

(yeah it gets a bit strange from here on)

Me:Glad I was able to put something new your "__ table". Interesting, I've never been asked to stage a meeting. I'm not one to shy away from different ways of doing things so, yes, I wouldn't mind it. I'm not going to end up in a room with a hacksaw and my leg chained to a pole am I? Ha, I kid I kid. I've had several terrible internet rendezvous in the past. Never as extreme as the hacksaw scenario but.. but well you get the idea, the internet can be dangerous.

Is there a specific coffee place you had in mine and when? I'm not from here, still kind of learning my way around.

(This is where I felt like I was just wingin' it, not following any kinda of structure or anything I've learned from this community. It just felt right and was working so I stuck with it.)

Her:I mean, it's only going to be your leg that's chained to the pole, and by that time you'll be disconnected from it. Hence the hacksaw, right? I mean, duh.

I actually just moved back to town, so I'm just reacquainting myself with everything. The only coffee shop I'm super familiar with is the End of the Line on Wright St. I've got a few friends who work at various Starbucks around the city, but Starbucks is sort of against my religion most of the time... On second thought, coffee is cliched and boring and cut out to be awkward. How about, either Toys-R-Us (bound to be interesting) or the Butler-U-Pull-It auto salvage yard (full of potential, or at least an adventure).

Me:Ha,

Yes, the coffee shop meeting is cliche. Like most things its the people there that make it boring, exciting, awkward, etc.. I had a lot fun in Somalia(which is AWFUL), but thats only because of the people I was with. Anyways, how does grabbing coffee and then finding our inner child in Toys-R-Us sound; because we both know coffee and small children are an insane mix.

By the way I'm a working,learning and teaching guy so I've got some odd hours of free time to myself haha.

(some sort of attempt at DHV)

Her: Sounds good. I was going to be surprised if you were down for the salvage yard. Actually, in that case I know of a great spot to pick up coffee...

Ok. Well next week is good, and since I'm a not-yet-working-or-learning and definitely not teaching girl, I'm more flexible. When's good for you?

Me:Mon-Fri I'm available from 0700-1200 and then 1900-xxxx
Normally I have weekends off but this weekend and next I've got some really fun/difficult training.

What is the name of the coffee shop?

(some kind of DHV once again)

Me:19=7pm sorry I'm used to using the 24hr style

Her:you're so in the military.
how about next, i don't know, wednesday? at 1900?
"xxx xxxx" coffee. it's on "xxxxxx", i think, by xxx

Me:No point denying that. Although many people (out of ignorance,we don't advertise much) aren't even aware of aware of my occupation until some hurricane rolls through or an earthquake hits. That isn't a problem is it? Yes I work for the man, but I'm run by my own thoughts and beliefs.I maintain my individuality in and out of uniform. I just happened to like the opportunities offered (education, travel, immortality)

Wednesday sounds good to me. 1900 it is, I'll google the place, I'm fairly close to xxx I think (right of xxW right?)

(I feel like I should've left out "That isn't a problem is it?)

Her: I mean I'm not gonna lie, I'm pretty anti-military. I'm not a pacifist, I'm just not crazy about our government. But whatever, you seem fun, and aside from the two of us never being able to communicate about time, I don't see any problems yet.

The rest of the emails are just her telling me where the place is and she just gave me her cell#.

I feel like this could've gone smoother. I've never been on of those "natural" PUAs. I'm very used to structure, flowchart style game(I blame the military lifestyle lol). What could I have done better? Its like I got lucky which is so AFC, I don't want to get lucky I want to make things happen. What were my mistakes?

Sounds like a fine exchange to me.
Things usually cool down/get boring/die between the canned openers and actually getting a number. That's where you have to rely on your creativity and personality to guide you through. You may have all the routines in the world, but if a girl isn't really feeling 'it' for you, you're not going to get the number. Be proud you got the date, that's the easy part.

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In my vast and recent experience with online game I can tell you that 90% of the time women are going to judge attraction with you based on some pretty shallow things at first. Now the good news in a case like this was she was immediately hooked so kudos!

I have recently gotten back into online game and setting up dates, closing, etc. As a matter of fact I'm writing this reply to you at 4am after an online date from match.com that just ended in a close. It seems like in all the cases so far and most that I can remember there was some initial attraction there based on what I wrote in my profile or have in my pictures.

I think that you did well. As it was previously mentioned canned lines and flow charts will get you a little ways down the path but your own personality and creativity will get you the rest of the way. Go on the date have fun, be your witty charming self, and see what you can do. Don't forget to kino escalate.

Keep in mind she already likes you at this point its just your job to establish some comfort with her and not to goof it up. Also, remember that in a case like this being direct with what you want is key. Have a place to bounce to from the coffee shop like another place to hang, walk around, or even your place for a movie. The bounce establishes more comfort and will help you escalate things physically.

Your pal,

~Jon

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Thanks, I never realized how much I was relying on routines until now. Thats why being natural, being me, felt so weird lol.

Any theory on why, (some)women(on dating sites, or the internet in general) seem to be extra shallow? Is it because it is a lot easier/impersonal?