I was a fan of AFC adam when i looked at his stuff and i even signed up to his website, read his journey diary and looked into everything else.

And what i found was, he is a great networker. He has confident approach game. But THATS IT!! He closes by saying he can get girls into a nightclub, and when he meets them at the club he is surrounded by women, and this is the hottest club in London.

There is nothing documented in any of his stuff about him actually going out there and seducing a woman from scratch. A few formulas reconstructed from Mystery but not much else.

He was the only one in the article in Cosmo not to generate any attraction.
Considering he is married its unlikely he is going to be doing much more than opening anyway.

Dont want to rain anyones parade but there is too much stuff going round from so called mpuas at the moment which is just marketing fabrication.

I can't really comment, since I am unfamiliar with his work. But it is very funny to see this post sandwiched between two banners for his workshops.

All you are describing is a different type of game. There are many formulas for success. If that works for him then he can clearly attract women! If they weren't attracted he wouldn't have had any success.

I also disagree with your comment about seducing women from scratch, look at his videos of street pick-ups etc. At some point he must have been interesting enough for the girls he is out with to come with him!

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They may have just been interested in being friends. To many people are focusing on being sociable.

"Get laid, not liked"- Gunwitch.

I'm going to see if I can ressurect that mentality.

so are u complaining that his system is too easy?
he gets attraction without doing anything by just talking to other girls
seems a lot easier than using all those routines and stupid goggles
u can just do the same and get laid like a rockstar i dont see the problem there

He's complaining is system is ineffective. As in doesn't get you laid untill you have build up friendships with girls.

[quote="Jav"][quote="ToAki"]so are u complaining that his system is too easy?
he gets attraction without doing anything by just talking to other girls
seems a lot easier than using all those routines and stupid goggles
u can just do the same and get laid like a rockstar i dont see the problem there[/quote]

He's complaining is system is ineffective. As in doesn't get you laid untill you have build up friendships with girls.[/quote]

so get friendship with girls lol the openers post is gotta be the dumbet post there is
i dont see the problem of getting girl friend even just 5, u gotta have at least 5 friends
go to a club and u get massive preselection u can get 10's without even trying
were here to get laid not to play a childish game to prove who is the best at pick up
all the members in the community have these feelings of frustration towards women from all the years women rejected them and its still in their head that women cant be friends, they dont pick up chicks to get laid the pick up to prove to otherrs that they can

I am not saying Adams seduction game doesnt work. If you can get guestlist for the best club in London for every girl you meet on the street, and then when they get there you are surrounded by other women that you have used the same game on, then it will definitely work.

Actually seducing a girl, from scratch involving just your words and actions is a totally different thing. Adam is pretty derogatory about Mystery as are puatraining and many other groups of PUA's.

Mystery does not do natural game, he uses pre scripted game, but he can seduce a woman without the extravagance that Adam uses, so i would see it as pointless going on an AFC adam workshop, as there would be nothing worth learning.

[quote="Cowboy_09"]I am not saying Adams seduction game doesnt work. If you can get guestlist for the best club in London for every girl you meet on the street, and then when they get there you are surrounded by other women that you have used the same game on, then it will definitely work.

Actually seducing a girl, from scratch involving just your words and actions is a totally different thing. Adam is pretty derogatory about Mystery as are puatraining and many other groups of PUA's.

Mystery does not do natural game, he uses pre scripted game, but he can seduce a woman without the extravagance that Adam uses, so i would see it as pointless going on an AFC adam workshop, as there would be nothing worth learning.[/quote]

how do u think he got surrounded by other women? he gamed them for god sake
just by looking at his wife which is gorgeous u can see he has game
are u surrounded by other women who want to jump ur cock? nooo
meaning u have no game, second mystery has no extravagance? he invented it
half is game is based on magic tricks as a way to dhv he dresses that way
to show that hes a rockstar and demonstrating higher value, did u see the holy grail of pickup? mystery opened around 4 sets before he had enough preselection
to open the set that he wanted to, adam came to the club with that preselection and in 5 min can do what mystery takes some time, the result is the same but what takes less time?

I am confident in my game, and i am confident in who i am, and my frame. And the main point is , i dont charge people thousands of pounds to learn from me.

Mystery has a whole book on how to seduce a woman, Neil Strauss came out with amazing new material that people are still using now.

If you can find me anywhere, and i have read all of Adams stuff, that he managed to seduce a woman, or can explain to someone how to seduce a woman, without social value, please show me

Firstly, Adam can pull and he can pull well.

WHoever it is who is defending him , you may want to remind yourself we are not attacking adams abilities but his methodology.

It relies heavily on social proof and establishing friendships, which, more and more nowadays are being argued as NON-essentials.

Actually bro, if you read his diary, the only bits of actual game i could fathom was when he asked girls to name three of their best qualities. Classic Mystery.
Although he did this when they were in China Whites, surrounded by his female wings.

I dont doubt he knows how to get numbers, or get laid. Its the inbetween bits i cant see any proof of.

Im under no delusion that Mystery invented game, im not his greatest fan anyway, i prefer more natural game. But to give Mystery credit, he did write this stuff down.

Adam, at his conferences goes on about how old hat mystery is when Adam is just the emperors new clothes, without any substance.

And i wouldnt normally want to sit here picking holes in someones game, but after paying to go on to Adams site, i would like some reassurance that for the few grande people are paying to go on his courses, he knows how to seduce outside of China Whites.

And according to the article in UK Cosmo, he knew how to be friendly and charming, but the lady didnt fancy him. She did however go gaga for Mehow and Hypnotica.

Basically this is a unresolvable thread.

This is just an argument about opinions! No one is right or wrong.

What Adam does works for him, What Mystery does works for him, What you do works for you etc.

If people want to learn from Adam that is because they like HIS style of game. Same with Mystery or anyone else.

No model is better. If they work then they work.

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I understand that dude, and im not looking for an argument.
My problem is that Adam is charging thousands of pounds to teach people this stuff, when in fact there is no actual skillset.
I dont promote one of the bigget clubs in London, as i am sure no one else on his course does, so i have to rely on my verbal game.

so im unsure what point there is his customers paying thousands of pounds to learn how to use social proof.