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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:59 pm 
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Hey,
I havn't been active on the online side of my game lately. I decided to revamp my PoF profile. My former profile was very AFC and did not stand out in anyway (in retrospect...)

So here is my new one.

The problem is that I've had messages that it comes of as negative. Definetly not a vibe I want to give. My title is : Top 10 resaons you shoudn't be contacting me.

Any constructive criticism would be welcomed. Especialy to make it lighter.


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1) If you are looking whithout knowing what you want, you can't be expected to find. Even if the best way to find your car keys is to stop looking for them, you still have to know you are looking for them.

2) I like to talk and I'm a good listener. If you have nothing to say, we won't jive. If you talk so much that no body can place a word, well that's not much better. I don't mind scilences nor do I mind a noisy crowd if you do, maybe check out the other guys.

3) Age doesn't matter, emotional maturity does. I don't need an aldult baby or a childish grandma. I want an independent, self-reliant woman.

4) I can be your king if you'll be my queen... as long as it's not a drama queen. If your psychiatrist can't figure you out, don't expect me too. Most drama is self created, don't play the victim

5) Relationships are not fairy tales, I'm not prince charming, and you're not a princess. It takes work from both. I can bring fantasy to life (can you?), but we have to touch reality occasionally. I'll sweep you off your feet, but you'll have to knock my socks off.

6 ) I expect someone similarly fit and attractive, but looks alone aren't the magic ingredient. Relationship IQ, compassion, and authenticity go a LONG way. I don't care much about bra size (shocking I know)...if it exceeds your IQ we won't jive.

7) I'm happy with my life, and you should be happy with yours. A man is not a magic pill. I'll gladly welcome you into my world of happiness if you bring some along with you. If you don't believe that you deserve something rewarding and passionate, it just won't come.

8) If you want me to come see you on your webcam. Then we are not communicating on the same level. Girls have used their bodies to pay their 'studdies' since the 1860s. I belive it's called the american dream... but please do it properly and get a job in a gentelmen's club.

9) I'm a social guy. I like to see my friends and go places it will not work. I won't ignore you but won't be ignored either. I'll enjoy the time we spend together but nobody likes to be handcuffed (not in public anyhow).

10) If you are here for a pen pal, move on to the next guy. I'm here to meet intesesting women, yup MEET them. Not to spend 4 months on msn to get to know what colour was your neighbors kitten when you grew up. I'll prefer if you wisper it to me over a nice glass of wine.

If none of the above made sense or if you found some of the content in these to be offensive please click 'back'. If you enjoyed the read, maybe even chuckled a bit, email me, you might get a lot more.

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1) If you are looking whithout knowing what you want, you can't be expected to find. Even if the best way to find your car keys is to stop looking for them, you still have to know you are looking for them.

2) I like to talk and I'm a good listener. If you have nothing to say, we won't jive. If you talk so much that no body can place a word, well that's not much better. I don't mind scilences nor do I mind a noisy crowd if you do, maybe check out the other guys.

3) Age doesn't matter, emotional maturity does. I don't need an aldult baby or a childish grandma. I want an independent, self-reliant woman.

4) I can be your king if you'll be my queen... as long as it's not a drama queen. If your psychiatrist can't figure you out, don't expect me too. Most drama is self created, don't play the victim

5) Relationships are not fairy tales, I'm not prince charming, and you're not a princess. It takes work from both. I can bring fantasy to life (can you?), but we have to touch reality occasionally. I'll sweep you off your feet, but you'll have to knock my socks off.

6 ) I expect someone similarly fit and attractive, but looks alone aren't the magic ingredient. Relationship IQ, compassion, and authenticity go a LONG way. I don't care much about bra size (shocking I know)...if it exceeds your IQ we won't jive.

7) I'm happy with my life, and you should be happy with yours. A man is not a magic pill. I'll gladly welcome you into my world of happiness if you bring some along with you. If you don't believe that you deserve something rewarding and passionate, it just won't come.

8) If you want me to come see you on your webcam. Then we are not communicating on the same level. Girls have used their bodies to pay their 'studdies' since the 1860s. I belive it's called the american dream... but please do it properly and get a job in a gentelmen's club.

9) I'm a social guy. I like to see my friends and go places it will not work. I won't ignore you but won't be ignored either. I'll enjoy the time we spend together but nobody likes to be handcuffed (not in public anyhow).

10) If you are here for a pen pal, move on to the next guy. I'm here to meet intesesting women, yup MEET them. Not to spend 4 months on msn to get to know what colour was your neighbors kitten when you grew up. I'll prefer if you wisper it to me over a nice glass of wine.

If none of the above made sense or if you found some of the content in these to be offensive please click 'back'. If you enjoyed the read, maybe even chuckled a bit, email me, you might get a lot more.
TheJ,

Hey man, I have a few things to offer you that I think will greatly help you build your online profile. One of the first things I'd like to offer is my Online Dating BlackBook http://www.jsmooth.org/documents/odbb.pdf You can right click the link and choose save as or just read it online. This was the first one I wrote, the second one is much better, even though I haven't finished it I will send you a copy of the draft. Look for that in your PM inbox.

I'd like to compliment you on being direct and to the point with your profile. It's pretty clear the type of person you are looking for. I like the way you come across as not being a push over and being confident. I especially love the fact that at the end of it all you called the reader to action to message you. AWESOME! :D

Anyways, here are a few things specific to you that I noticed. First, please do not make a list like this. They are hard to read and get kind of boring to go through all of them. Try to write it out with this information but not in a list format if you can help it.

My recommendation to avoid this list. Write a good paragraph or two about what you're like with some of the stuff from above. Then write a paragraph describing the type of person you are into. What she she'd look like, what things she'd be into, and wait traits she'd have. Finally, I end it all with a small paragraph about the type of relationship you are looking for or not looking for.

*Spellcheck is your friend btw. I get complimented for my use of good spelling and grammar a lot online. Make sure to write it out in something like Word to check it for errors before posting it online*

We can't see your profile, so how many pictures are you using? Are they of you out doing stuff maybe even with some women in them for pre-selection? Or are you in your house taking a photo with your camera phone?

Another huge thing that you'll see when you check out the Online Dating Black Book rev2 is what are you using for your headline? Has it been the same since forever or are you updating this? Do you update and add new pictures? Do you reword your profile from time to time to keep things fresh?

I'm sorry to unleash a bunch of stuff on you man. Please know I'm throwing all this stuff at you because I like your contributions to the forum and I really want to see you do well with online game. :)

~Jon


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:35 pm 
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I'll definetly go through your book and the exercises that you have given me (rewrite in paragraphs, spell check, update headline...)

Right now my headline is: Top 10 reasons you shoudn't contact me". I'll rewrite in a paragraph and try to think of a clever one to use with the final result.

As for photos. I have 3. This is a place I could improve IMO. One of them is very good I think and is one of me on a mountain top doing a "pose down" in a funny way. They 2 pthers are web cam pics showing my face. I'll get a hold of a buddy to take a few close-ups more in "action".

Thanks for the pointers once again Jon.
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Not a problem, just glad I could assist!

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Alright, I applied some of the principles in your book, and re-wrote some of the jest of my previous profile in sentense form.
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Sadly, relationships are not fairy tales. I'm not prince charming, and you're not a princess. It takes work from both. I can bring fantasy to life (can you?), but we have to touch reality occasionally. I can sweep you off your feet, but you'll have to knock my socks off.

I take care of my looks and I expect someone similarly fit and attractive, but looks alone are not the magic ingredient. Relationship IQ, compassion and authenticity go a LONG way. I don’t care much about bra size (shocking I know!) … if it exceeds your IQ, we might not mix too well. I’m a cultured guy and love spending nights at plays and concerts or strolling the new exhibits at the museum of fine arts. So If we share these interests I’m sure we’ll get along nicely, if not, then I could always show you the ropes!

My friends would describe me as a positive and reliable guy. I love life, and I hope you are happy with yours as well. A man is not a magic pill and although I can fix your sink, I can’t fix your view on life. I’ll gladly welcome you into my world of happiness if you bring some along for the ride. I’m emotionally stable and expect you to be as well. Everybody can have a few bumps here and there, but it shouldn’t be bumpier then out beloved highways.

I'm a social guy; I like to see my friends, make new friends and go places. You could say I like some independence. I won't ignore you but won't be ignored either. I'll enjoy the time we spend together (and I’m sure you will too!) but nobody likes to be handcuffed (not in public anyhow). Oh, one last thing, I’m not looking for a pen pal. If you like to chat to a guy for 12 years before meeting up in person, you might be better off checking the next guy. I like to actually meet people and find communicating face to face to be much more rewarding.

So if you enjoyed the read, or even chuckled a bit, send me a message, you might get a lot more.
Better, worst? I think it's a step in the right driection. I tried to keep it more positive and upbeat like you suggested. Lost a bit of the cockiness, which isn't al that bad but tried to keep in there that I'm not a pushover.

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TheJ,

Wow man you are a quick study! You have definitely left things in your own words, and used a spellchecker. :) Your profile has lost some of the cockiness to it which isn't a bad thing. You have points in the profile that made me laugh and chuckle....maybe I should message you. LOL. I like the upbeat attitude that you have, and the confidence you display. This is a worlds apart from the list that you started out with. If we just add a few more good pictures on there, and work on your headline we'll have you on dates in no time :!:

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Thanks Jon. You book was of great help and your advise is always priceless. Let me know if you end up selling it and I'll gladly buy a copy (if you sign it that is ;)and promote it to a couple of friends of mine.

Nest step is pictures.

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Interesting stuff.

One very minor but helpful point I will make. You should also proof read the text as a spell checker may not pick up wrong words which are spelled correctly - there is 'out' instead of 'our' in the profile text. I know it's very minor and a few of those may spoil an otherwise excellent profile.

"I don’t care much about bra size (shocking I know!) … if it exceeds your IQ, we might not mix too well." Good line. For me I would have to re-phrase it as I like stacked girls. For me it would be something like "I like clever girls and if your bra size exceeds your IQ then I'm sure we'll get on very well"

Jsmooth. Would you be able to PM that draft too?


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Thanks skypirate, I did make the swap.

I saw Jon's book available in the Lounge or the Beginner section earlier on.

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Won't be necessary I just PM'd him a copy of it as well. ENJOY! :D

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i can't even evaluate this online profile because the terrible spelling and grammar gets on my nerves too much. I'm sure a lot of girls reading it would probably feel the same way.


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i can't even evaluate this online profile because the terrible spelling and grammar gets on my nerves too much. I'm sure a lot of girls reading it would probably feel the same way.
The first or second edition?

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i can't even evaluate this online profile because the terrible spelling and grammar gets on my nerves too much. I'm sure a lot of girls reading it would probably feel the same way.
The first or second edition?
He has to be referring to the first because the second revisition was spell checked and it looks okay at a glance. I know that grammar on the second may not be perfect but that's something that can be tweaked over time.

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I was talking about the 1st ed. The second one, now that I read it, is much better. But it doesn't convey enough about you individually, it almost seems too generic like you could have just copy/pasted it from a "good online profile" handbook because it doesn't say enough unique things about you.


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Jon, any tips on improving syntax or grammar is welcomed too. English is my second language so I might be off on some sentences.

Brah. On what do you suggest to add individuallity to? Add more hobbies? (there is a section on that in the profile page btw). I'm just wondering on how much interest discussing on me spending a lot of time designing my condo (for exemple... it's something I've been doing lately) or doing martial arts for 8 years is going to generate. Yeah, so were should I be more specific and how specific should I be (you want to remain somewhat mysterious right? and you want to keep it somewhat short.). I think I used humor to twist things that most profiles do say but in a unique way. Frankly, how do you go about describing that you want a high quality woman without listing what a high quality woman is for you? Most guys will have the same or a similar definition to a high quality woman.

(oh and just an FYI, I have updated one picture so far, updated the text... and have 2 dates next week-end. So not too bad so far for the revamp. Always looking to improve though)

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