Okay, here's my story.

i was rejected my this girl 2 times last year, reason is because i am behaving like a AFC.
i respected her from top to toe like maiden.
i never DHV myself and i never DLV her (never neg at her)

after i was rejected, she still show IOIs to me, since its an IOI, i thought she would have feelings for me again, i was rejected again.

What my IOI means:
I tried flirting with another girl, she will seems to be jealous.
She would always ask me how are you.
She will put messages on her blog which is misleading to you.

This year, i believe like 2 months ago, she is like letting it go, no more IOIs. Last time she was afraid of losing me, i used to act angry with her and she would be very scared and then get very emotional.

After reading and researching and watching "the game", right now i play a different way, i know i need to neg at her very heavily, because i was once treating her like maiden. Normal Negs is not enough, i am using funny-insults.

Just like how Style scold a girl retarded, and then get her back.

I used 1 insult, and she was so pissed and she told me i was losing her as a friend.
i told myself i cant behave like a AFC , i just told her i am just playing with you, and then the next day i apologize and she apologize to me too.

We don't have much opportunity to meet one another, the only way of contact is net messenger and text messages.

Right now, i am throwing her negs and act funny, and she seems to react to all. i am trying to make myself no unharm to her and meanwhile DLV her by laughing about her weight.

But, i cant trust her IOIs, there is times she would say "i owe you a meal" , "yea, you should treat me a drink", "yea, we should meet up sometime". All of them , she will always say she is just kidding and don't really mean it.

Its hard to date her out, because she is indecisive, most of the time she would just say "no" ( i haven ask to date her out this year, but i know she would say no, or she says she asking some friends to join over, its like a bitchshield that can never be broken.)

About her
Unable to isolate, if ask to go out alone, she would recommend friends to tag along, or she will say no.
IOIs cant be trusted, say things and don't mean it.
I was once her eye candy
Impulsive, petty, indecisive.
her alter ego "cheerleader"

I believe a lot of guys face this problem, when playing a long game, its just so hard to find the "bond" that will make her interact with me first. its always me , i am the one that will talk to her first, and when comes to talking, there isn't really much to talk about. i can only come out with stories...

I hope this forum is still active, give me advice, help me. thanks.

To be honest she sounds like a dick-tease but when she says things like "I owe you a meal" or "Yeah, we should get a drink sometime" you should say something "Nope. I don't think you've deserved that yet, give me a couple reasons why I'd eat a meal with you" or you can tell her "I'm dating this other girl, blah blah blah" and she'd want you more. Basically make her qualify herself to you, she sounds like a major dick tease and I don't really see this going past the texting, etc... But just give it a shot, she just sounds like the type that wants something they can't get.

thanks PUA tony for your advice,

yes i should make her qualify for herself , but asking her to give a couple reasons why I'd eat a meal with you , she would just say no and then a smiley face. i think i need to think of other ways...

tough game , i am getting owned big time sometimes.

thanks for your advice , yes i need to think. i will update in this forum sometime later. success or fail i will share the story.

meanwhile i will be studying about style.

Guys tend to think 'wow she's in love with me' when they receive IOI's.
An IOI in my opinion is nothing more than a sign that the girl likes you and is enjoying herself.

Asking 'hey, how are you" is definitely NOT an IOI, I think you're searching to hard to find something good about it.

The fact that you pissed her off while negging shows to me you should better not use it, since you don't know how. Negging is something dangerous imo, it's something you know how to use or you don't.

I think you over-gamed her, trying too hard and too long without actually knowing how.

You have to find this balance between being you and trying to be this better person, or PUA whatever you would like to call it.

A great opportunity in this is, that you can leave one girl, and just try with another. I PERSONALLY think you should try that.

After reading your post and the replies above, I can say that I agree with Sander. I am not myself a pickup artist nor anything close to that but one thing I've learnt is never let your emotions control your moves. Right now, you've been thinking that ''yeah this girl has been giving me IOIs etc etc''. But the fact , as mentioned above, is that you can't rely on these IOIs and form some pattern of 'she likes me' in your mind. Its very hard, I know, once a girl starts to respond to your game, thats when you start thinking you've got it BUT remember once a GIRL finds everything PREDICTABLE she will move on, act bitchy,etc etc.

If I was you, I know that sound easy to say, but I would just move on. I mean there isn't a drought of beautiful woman as far as I know:). You need to be more UNPREDICTABLE. When a girl say all these things like 'yeah u need to treat me with a meal' etc...ACT COCKY!! Say, 'you'd be so lucky if I accepted to take you out for me' then SMILE. ALWAYS LEAD THE WAY mate. ALWAYS!!

This leaves me thinking, I may be having the same issue right now, a girl that I've been gaming lately, has not responded correctly to my approach, and I've met her on monday and she was like 'yeah I could great food etc'..I said exactly wat I told above, and she gave me a handshake, like ''deal is a deal''. But since then she hasn't text me or call. But hey, I remain open. She falls in or not, she's the one losing out. But anyways. I hope my advices have come to help for you. Last thing, MOVE ON DUDE! and DON'T OVER-GAME!!

Prime_Star

ya... gotta agree with all the above, one more thing though... i make sure i never comment on a girls weight, seriously, you'l walk yourself into a maze of emotions there especially if alcohols involved!
also, not being able to isolate her can be used to your advantange. if i were you i would get you an her and all your friends to go out some night casually. while your all having fun and shes being her normal cock teasing self... fuck off and start gaming other women at a safe distance but hwere you know she can see, she'l get jealous and you can stay cool and be like "what are we dating or something?"... just make sure its all light hearted and your smiling and having fun man... thats what id be thinkin but im not in this game long... good luck

Thanks PUAs for your advices . Give me more advice , i want to get better.

Prime star ,
What u said was really true
i felt so guilty for being so predictable most of the time, i should learn to be less predictable, thanks for the reminder.

Sander ,
after reading your post , its quite sad , but it's good , i am still learning. She is not the top priority , i just want to prove myself that i can take this shit to the next level.

I think maybe i tried too much to find IOIs. I not going to argue about this , but this 1 year there is a lot of things that i can indicate "maybe she have feelings for me", but she did told me that she just felt guilty... (i know , i know , i am going to get replies to call me move on), but she also did mention let nature take its course.

Koflyn,
Yeah , i am such a dumbfuck , i rejected her dinner once , because it was a 3 way dinner, because in my mind i wanted just dinner with her , or else no.

one year on one girl that your get some IOI's I say you waisted 364 days you could have been picking up tons of other girls! PUA is about volume.

Here are my thoughts on this one:

When you are playing a long game think of the following.

The ideal thing is to controll the frame from the start.
And you havent done this.

Over time changing the frame will be harder, cause it tends to
root it self hard.

When you way later into your relation attempts to take controll of the frame
as you did (negging, C&F etc..) she will react to this in order to restore the balance. Most times people will react with anger.

The only chance you have with this girl is with her "Innergame".
If she realises she has made a serious missjudgement of you, this could rock her world a bit. But its very unlikely in a Long game like this one.
A lot easier after a week. Or the first meet.

Get out there and game other girls and have the time of your life.
Then if/when she comes crawling... think about if she deserves you?

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Vino, vedi, vici.
I drank some wine, I saw her, I conquered

sorry to say it but i think your her orbiter..(urban dictionary the word if you don't know what it means)

To me i think she's just using you for her own self esteem, to tease you once in a while and make herself feel better knowing she's desired and wanted.. for all you know she could be bitching to all her friends about how she has you on a string and her IOI's are done on purpose.

girls are cruel that way.. many a story of girls telling me about guys chasing em but they find em gross, and when i ask why don't u just tell em or break it off or stop doing such missleading activities.. etc etc.. they make up some bs excuse and keep going...

The fact that she doesn't want to go out with you alone after a whole year of knowing you would suggest to me that you don't have enough comfort with her and you may make her feel weired in someway. (maybe your overly sexual vibe or pushing for a deeper connection subconciously which is picked up by her) so seeking for a sexual, more than friend relationship that she knows you want but she doesn't.

that said

I don't think you fully grasp the concept of a neg.. correct me if i'm wrong but as far as i understand it is that it's primary purpose is to temporarly take urself out of the running and to DHV during an approach because only alpha male would say shit like that to a beatiful girl.. (and u shouldn't neg an ugly girl or a girl with low self esteem.. if they have low self esteem u'd do more damage.. general rule .. more beaitful more negs u need .. not intensity of the negs. but amount of) remember it's suppouse to still be playful not hurtful.. so teasing he weight would be dangerous waters.

After the approach when you reach the comfort and rapport stage you do take aways and be cocky funny.

you are 1 year in.. ur frames are set .. and any ideas about you would be firmly established in stone already and i highly doubt ur negs would work acomplishes anything..

negging her at this point is like a telephone salesman trying to treaten you by saying.. "i don't want to sell to you"..

thats why you don't break rapport with a girl or do a take away with a girl during set when you start to notice them losing interest.. instead just eject.. and this is my suggestion to you

though it's a 1 year set.. eject and spend your time on other girls...

the power of the relationship lies with the person who cares the least.. and it appears to me that you care alot more.

don't place so much importants on this girl.. or any one girl for the matter..

desirable men don't need to chase girls or care if they like em or not... thats alpha male behaviour.. go out meet girls and have an abundance of girls in ur life..
Instead of wasting your time on this one girl....

I mean is there any good reason why you absolutely need to get this girl???

just eject from her dude.. though nothing is impossible..

but

personally the time and effort and advice you need to get this girl is so advanced and effort required is so much that IT IS JUST NOT WORTH IT.