hey buddy, I'm a University student and I was in a similar situation as you. This girl was a perfect 10 in my books, we saw each other at a couple parties and then I got her number. I asked her a couple days later if she wanted to go for drinks, and she was busy. Asked her again, and she was busy. Finally, I asked her if she wanted to go for dinner and a movie, and then she made time for ME! She told me that she didn't know I wanted to go on a date when I was asking her out for drinks. Soo maybe instead of asking her for breakfast or lunch, try and make it a date?

Regardless of what you do, good luck!!

P.S. if you're wondering, I went on a few dates with this girl over a 3 week span, she was totally into me, then when I brought up the topic of a relationship she said she wasn't over her ex (it ended over 6 months ago).. just thought I'd let you know how my similar situation ended, hopefully yours goes better!

I haven't exactly invested a whole lot into her, just some time to help her study and, yes, some definite attraction.

I was pretty natural with her believe it or not and I don't think my BL was awkward.

I do think that I need to back off for the time being, just talk to her in class casually and leave it at that until after next weekend.

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Totally agree !!!

This is becoming a complicating situation for you because of the logistics and also I think you are become her class room buddy, helping her with her HW....

I think you should do two things:
1. Don't sit with her all time, go around the class, every time sit with a someone different, it's the same as building social proof in a club, show her you got a lot of friends and you don't really care (I have been doing this all semester and it works like a charm ) and then once in a while go sit with her.

2. Once every two weeks invite her to a GOOD party where you know there will be a lot of good social proof for you. (why so much social proof? well you said she is an eleven so she is probably all about what's your status etc)
BTW I said a GOOD party I dunno about you man but inviting her to a frat party??... I'm a Kappa Sigma and I would never invite her to an actual frat party, unless you wanna see her standing around a bunch or guys drinking beer and trying to hit one her.....I actually just brag a lot about the frat because many girls watch Greek and related movies/shows and they think it's cool, but when they see it in reality, yah, just no..., maybe yours is different
Good luck doing that and going home alone haha, god, when newbies will learn when to properly use negs....tc tc
Don't neg her, negs are only used to break her bitch shield and you already studied with her, cmon! just use cocky funny and teasing and LOTS LOTS OF SOCIAL PROOF

Cheers

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Ya, she doesn't have a bitch shield with me and honestly I'm not a big believer in negs. So, no, I wont use them.

I don't know that I want to invite this girl to parties, good or bad. I don't want her as a friend, I want her as a girlfriend. I wouldn't mind having her (and her friends) at my frat house because we host to women pretty well. Lots of vodka (and chaser because, well, they're pussies), that's the secret haha. Although I'm thinking I might just ask her more formally out. What do you think?

Thanks

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"I have only one counsel for you - be master."

I would do what I told you to do dude, I think you are concentrating on her a little too much, just chill out go around the class, if you keep bombarding her with "you wanna go out", she can't go out, keep sitting with her, etc, you may fuck it up even worse if you just chill out for a week and take it easy, go look for other girls so you have an abundance mentality....

And yah after that I would actually do the same, just go up to her and be real and if she is not interested in going on a date with you or whatever the plan is, it's good because you will know that you don't have to waste your energy on getting her and you can move on....but if you keep thinking how not to fuck up and make her your, you will over analyze it and actually loose her, i think, lol

I hope that helps you

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First she is used to having jerks with big egos trying to pick her up.if she really is an hb 11 she will be a master reader of body language so you need to be genuine and totally real.

Negs aren't the solution to everything.Some people think that the hotter the girl the more you neg (not true).

Some feed back:

First: Bringing up an ex-gf is not necessarily a bad thing. You could have brought it up in a way that shows how she was not able to qualify as your gf. For example: "I had to pull the plug on this relationship because she wasn't adventurous enough or strong enough to reach out for what she wants without worrying what other people might say. If you can't be yourself with me, then you can't be with me"
As you can tell from this example, it shows that it's YOU are the prize and it's YOU who calls the shots (alpha demo) AND you put out a challenge to her by implying that she needs to be adventurous and bold to be with you. Those two qualities are used by Ross Jeffries as qualifiers for a women he would want to be with, in case you were wondering.

Second: Waiting for her to call it off is a BIG mistake. My friend, you as a PUA in training, need to follow the cardinal rule of ESTABLISHING SCARCITY. You are the prized item that is not always available at will. It's a totally AFC thing to do, which is fine since we're here to break out of that. Next time when it starts to get a little slow CUT THE EFFING THREAD!!! Tell her that you have to leave because you had other plans with other people or things you need to take care of, feed your man-eating-iguana etc. Just come up with something next time to show that you're not needy.

Third: "You want to grab lunch on Friday?" You don't ask her because then she has more elbow room to say "no." Asking that way triggers her auto-pilot response to reject because it's how most guys approach her. A better way of asking woulda been: "I know this great place on bullshit ave. that makes great lunch, you should join me on Friday and see for yourself." Now, you gave her less leg-room to BS you (assuming it was, truly, a BS excuse.)

Fourth: Asking for breakfast right after lunch got turned down sounded kinda needy, BUT I don't know how to work around that one yet. It's definitely one of my sticking points and any guy with a good answer to that, it would be great to hear a way around it.

Finally: about one-itis... there's nothing wrong with thinking someone has something special, but when you think about it too much and it becomes obvious on a sub-conscious level that displays in your tone, body language and other aspects of your response that emits a neediness to her. Once a girl picks that neediness up, you're outta the game bro. We're just looking out for each other here so hope you take what we give you in a constructive manner and develop yourself from that. Take a stroll down the meat-aisle and get your mind off this one for a bit. There's more vadge in the sea!!

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"Chivalry isn't dead. It is widely used by many men who end up being 'just friends' to every woman they ever meet" -- Vinuzzio

I can understand your concern with using negs, but they don't neccessarily have to be 'insults' to create the reactions you want.

For example you could just tease her if she says or does something a bit stupid? Laugh at her a little, show her that if she makes a mistake you will notice it and wont pretend it didn't happen, make her self conscious about her actions.

At the minute it seems like she's acting in the way you should be acting. Putting her time across as valuable, putting herself in a position to judge what you say.

Think of it like a fight. You want to be the counter puncher here, not the agressor throwing stuff out there hoping some of it hits the right place.

That's good advice Vinuzzio. Thanks...

It did feel wrong to let her cut it off... And, I feel VERY strongly that she is looking for an ALPHA. So, I need to emit that in every way possible.

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OK, ya, I do think that I neg actually 'naturally' if we are talking about your definition. I don't sweep their mistakes under the rug and I do sometimes poke fun. I just do that naturally. Maybe I have tried too hard (which I know I have) to neg in the past.

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You're welcome bro!

My two cents on negs: It doesn't work on every girl, so you'll need to learn to figure it with field experience and you need to keep sight of what a neg really is: a back-handed compliment that the girl doesn't know whether to take as an insult or a compliment. I have a friend who sometimes makes it seem like hurling insults... that's just self-sabotage.
I don't think you should really bother negging since you've already hooked a connection with her... from here on you should focus on DHV, Kino, and Emotional Connection

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"Chivalry isn't dead. It is widely used by many men who end up being 'just friends' to every woman they ever meet" -- Vinuzzio

I agree with Slien.

Show you don't NEED her, you WANT her and you will GET her but you are more valuable. Alpha bro

And it's cool to think she's special, go for it.

If you fuck up, have a think, a hard one about it. The peaks the lows, the problems and confront them.

On a good note, nice one talkin to her for 2 ++ hours,

THREAD UPDATE:

I haven't talked to her since we studied together last Wednesday. I haven't had the opportunity to sit next to her in class (missed class today and she sat in a far off corner during the test on Thursday).

Today, in class (i went to a diff time), the professor told me that she appreciated my help but she didn't do to well. I don't know how he knows that I helped her, but I know he wants me to help her again. Can I take this info and run with it? What do you guys think?

Remember, she asked me to "contact" her after the football game this saturday (she's a dancer at the games). Then, the week after is thanksgiving break. That's the schedule I'm working with. Also, I may see her in class on Thursday, if she comes...

And: Puck Ferdue (don't ask if you don't know)

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"I have only one counsel for you - be master."

Dude for real, if my professor told me he knows I helped someone or something similar, I would just straight up call the person and be like "what happened how does he know ???? o.O" , no matter who it is lol, and of course in ur case cz ur gaming her just do that and take it from there, do some role playing (omg how did he discover, us against the world frame etc.)

Cheers

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Ya, well I called her tonight and got no answer. Then I texted her "How'd you do on the test?' just to start things off. No response.

idk what to do next, we'll see if she's in class tomorrow. This is usually how the best ones end, dead lines... Seriously lame, the worst way to be denied.

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