to any girl of you like? or can I be UGLY and have any girl too?

" a man can become rich be ugly & get all the women they want but an ugly women will still be ugly even if she gets money."

You can have any girl you want, if you truly believe you can, and you exude that confidence to everyone around you. It doesn't matter what you look like.

I see this whole thing pretty much like this ( reversed order to demonstrate what im after! ):

1) ATTRACTION
2) PRIZING ( Swinggcat )
3) STRONG FRAME

Basically what this means is that your target HB must feel attracted to you inorder to sleep -or go out with you. "Attraction" basically means that she gets that warm, sexual, futuristic ( you and her together ) and interested feeling concerning you. So how can you build up this attraction? Most guys would say that "play all sorts of games and tell DHV stories so you would stand out from the ground. " The problem however is that its pretty hard to affect her emotions if you are not the grand prize in her eyes. So where does this lead to? It leads to " Prizing ". You have to be something that she wants no matter what. So how can you be that " grand prize"? The way i see it, is that you have to create a strong frame concerning you and your persona- an alpha male frame. You are an alpha male who can get any girl at any time. You are the guy who is fun to be with, who knows what he does with women and who doesent give a shit what others think.So naturally when you have a strong frame when you enter your set, the other things behind it follows you and your frame! ( You have a strong frame when you enter the set= she gets interested and you seem like the grand price in her eyes which can be boosted with PUA stuff= she is attracted to you= She will sleep with you/ she wants to see you again )

So my answer to your guestion is yes. You can basically have any girl you want if your state of mind and frame is where its supposed to be.

[ Johnny B ]

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I wish I had a picture of myself that was compatible to work on this site. I am living proof that you don't need anything when it comes to looks to get women. I'm 316 pounds, and I consider myself very successful with women.

Even if..lets say...you consider yourself to be a 5 at best. With the right look, and many things you can control like having clothing that fits, and keeping yourself looking presentable, will make you look like an 8, 9, or 10 to a woman.

Many scientific studies show that women are more likely to go out with a less than satisfying man (physically), then a man would vice versa. It's hard to believe, but it's been proven several times. Women would rather be with a "gross" looking guy that is completely confident, then an attractive dip shit.

So I have hope for all less than attractive men out there.

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You all take 'er easy. And if she's easy, take her twice.

Thanks to you all.

if your ugly with the right amount of work you can be atleast decent looking..

hit the gym
eat right
go tanning (good place to practice talking to women)
get a decent hair cut and learn to style it yourself (also a good place to get over being shy)
get up to date with your clothes..
take care of your body teeth etc..
be a princess its worth it.

I have something to add to this thread, I went to a party two nights ago and two of the ugliest girls hooked up(kissed) with some decent looking guys.
The party wasn't exactly cranking, (not much girl on boy action except for me of course) and there was a lot of alcohol available.

One of the girls that hooked up(kissed) looked like a man, id rate her HB 0.0001.

My theory is that at some stage 'hornines' overides a guys standards and in this case The guy was so damn horny that he didnt give a shit.

Attraction is a peculiar thing, and what other posters have written here is very much true. What I've found out, though, is that it is not enough for you to know the nature of attraction and your own possibilities - you have to feel it.

My looks are below average (really below), due to my (disharmonious) facial features, so it's not something I can fix. Now at the age of 19, I've still managed to be attractive enough to get three pretty (and sober), quality girls to approach me and state their romantic interest in me. I've always intuitively known that if I won't be assertive in social interactions, I will get trampled on. I've always worn a social mask in order to adapt to different social settings and to exert influence, but I've never been a conformist - I've usually managed to establish social dominance (on some level). It has been the alpha image, if anything, behind the attraction - the lack of aesthetic quality can be compensated for.

So all's fine and dandy, then? Not really: although I'm fully aware of my potential and the tools to get me where I want to be, no matter how much I rationalize all this, I still can't fully get over my poor self esteem. This affects my inner game and often kills my motivation. You can't be "the prize" you need to be in order to attract women if you can't be in that mental state. There has to be congruence between what's on the outside and what's on the inside. So, whatever you plan on doing, work on your inner game first - it's of paramount importance.

On a side note: I turned down all of the girls who approached me (I've had intimacy issues and I'm generally fucked up in the head - one of the reasons I don't keep firearms at home).

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I think you are looking at beauty in a purely physical way. Luckly, that not what all there is.

Look at this thread by Jaxin. It help me change the views I had about attractiveness and help me fell a lot more attractive.

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Good stuff

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