i usually think if you knew her b4 he came into the picture, you got fair game, but if he was there way b4 you stepped up, id consider that.

My suggestion? Find out where these things lie along your own ethics line. I personally have no compunctions gaming other people's girls, PUA or no. I will not however game the girlfriends of my friends.

One example would be Sky, whose girlfriend is untouchable, whilst NCee, another player in my area who I am not close to, I would have no problem gaming his girls.

One thing that I find I do a lot is steal the girlfriends and wives of people who piss me off. A married lesbian called 'L' for instance, I gamed her because her wife 'J' really REALLY aggrivated me the first time I met her.

An old friend of mine, 'Ash', was not too close to me. He was my friend and I hooked him up with 'E'. If he hadn't been so AFC I would have done nothing to game her. As it stood, he was more AFC in the relationship than out, so I gamed her hard.

Basically, you need to make your own rules and decisions then stick to them. Don't just take the advice of people blindly, decide what is right by you.

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"I don't think I will ever love a woman the way I love myself."
*snigger*

Yes, that is what I am saying. Why should I be nice for someone who would steal my girlfriend with 99 % certainty if the roles were reversed ? I have had it with people. Majority of people are all selfish bastards. Moreover, if you treat people well they don't respect you. They respect you if you treat them like sh*t. I compare people with monkeys. 99 % of the monkeys are plain stupid but the other 1 % are the smart monkeys that are responsible for the survival of all the monkeys. 99 % of humans are just beings controlled by their animal instincts. Only 1 % is evolved further than that. I am amongst those 1 %. I always tried to help people, be non selfish, have morals and ethics, ... but experience has thought me that if you are a nice person with ethics you will always lose. Being nice and ethical is a good way to be maybe in the year 4500 when human race has evolved to a population where 99 % of people are civilized. In this uncivilized society you need to be an animal to survive. If I can steal a girlfriend I will do it.

That's absolute Bullshit. People don't respect you if you treat them like shit. People respect you if you have control over your own life, If you have the strength of character to succeed and persevere through the shit that other people throw at you.

Like you, I'm in that band that you class as the 1% (and what orifice did you pull those statistics from?) of moraled, helpful, ethical people and yeah, I used to lose a lot (Nice guys finish fast and all that), but aparently, you and I have taken different directions along the same route to change that.

You seem to view people's reactions to you treating them like shit as positive, but how can people respect someone who does that? Would you respect anyone who treats you in that way?

I instead started treating everyone the same. I create a feeling of 'we're all in the same boat here so lets start paddling'. People respond to it much more readily. Obviously, you punish bad behaviour from the people in your reality, but you need to understand that just treating people like animals will get no real respect, only lies and fear.

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"I don't think I will ever love a woman the way I love myself."
*snigger*

Those statistics I pulled out from my own life experience. I met so many people in my life and it is really hard to think of someone that belongs to the 1 % group I was talking about. Some people think they belong to the group but sooner or later they will stab a knife in your back. I met so many people and I think I can't even think of 10 people that belong to that 1 % group I was talking about.

I might have exagerated with the "treat as shit" thing, but it is much better to behave more like an asshole than to behave like a nice guy. Nice guys never get respect. The thing is that when I used to be a nice guy I wasn't nice to get anything back from it. I saw people in need and I didn't like to see them suffer so I helped them. I did it because I don't like to see other people or animals suffer. But at the end they don't respect you for that. People aren't grateful. People are just plainly uncivilized. I am not here to tell anyone how to interact with people. I can only say that because I experienced how uncivilized people are, I don't care to steal anyone's girlfriend. However, if I know with 100 % guarantee that a guy belongs to the 1 % group, then I wouldn't steal his girlfriend. I don't screw up good people's life.

That is not true!

The people who only has the capability of being nice dont get respect but the ones who have the power to be bad and chooses to be good guys get a lot. It is like the difference of SPAM your power and sharing what you can spare.

That's how I speak I meant girlfriend dude and I'm guessing you knew that. Anyway I think I have to agree with Johnny B. on this one. I already had an idea of what I want to do...I was just looking for justification for my actions. Thanks guys for expressing your opinions, I am going to find out what kind of relationship they have and I'll make my decision then. But in the end 870 was right...everyone has a slightly different view of morals and ethics and we can't please everyone

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I think above all you should respect others, specially AFC's. You are lucky right now, you have learned how things flow now, with this new knowledge you should be resposible and respectful.