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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:27 am 
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I used to have a lot of trouble with women. But now it seems like that is not a problem. I was the good looking guy with zero game. Even when I had no game, women aproached me and I just freaked out. I was scared of women. I thought that I had no power over them.

I discovered this stuff and I had a lot of success rapidly. But I blew it almost every time, I had some deep issues. I still have some stuff that doesnt allows me to be all that I want to be. I dont think that I'm an example. I wouldnt be fair, beacause I never really had a problem with attracting women. I was my own problem.

Most of the guys here are enemies of themselves, and I say most cause most guys say stuff that makes it evident. The sad part is that probably they will never realize it.

But hey, I dont like to think that the glass is half empty. In fact looking at the glass half empty is the favorite weapon of people that love self-sabotage.

Being alive is fucking cool, and fun.

People get into this stuff to be told what to say, to learn waht to say. But when you finally "get there" you realize that it wasnt really about what to do. Its about "how" do you do it.

I'm not saying that all this is just a bunch of crap, I accept that knowing what to do is really helpful for the clueless guys.

Bottom line the stuff that really helps you isnt all those lines and routines. Its all about inner game. Inner game helps you have a nice life. And I dont want just women, I want a nice life. You should work to improve yourself, not just to score.

I dont like when people asks me for a certain type of advice. When someone asks me "what should I say" what should I do" or even what should I wear", I just feel that those show an horrific lack of character.

The sad part is that sometimes the guys that provide the advice make the problem worse. They tell them "go tell her this". Let me ask, What next? you'll need to say something clever again, and again and again... Thats not real, you are not picking up the girl, some other dude is. You can use the good stuff that people shares, but you need to stand on your own two feet.

If you are acting like the alpha male, at least act like one in the stuff that matters.

I cant tell you how to deal with your own demons, thats an individual journey, just as I cant pee for someone else..

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:28 am 
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I totally agree with the proposed idea that people here should learn the "how" instead of the specific "whats." Reflecting upon when i first came here, I was like every AFC, secretly hiding behind my 15 inch macbook pro monitor every night reading the routines, negs, and lines that I thought would give me the success mPUA's like Mystery and Style had. Then I ran into AFC Adam's material and realized that this whole pickup thing was beyond just knowing how to be clones of men who pioneered pickup. Instead, I realised that the PUA dogma was to learn how to be your better self whenever you want (and you should ALWAYS want this, aside from the days where you've exhausted yourself and just want to stay in a corner and sulk for a bit).

Thus, i began veering away from the "routines" section, although I still visit it once in a while when i see a cool looking topic (i think that last one I really liked was the Hershey kiss one :D). I wouldn't say there's anything WRONG with this place, its all about where you look and what you choose to absorb. Like Francis bacon once said, some books are meant to be chewed, swallowed, and digested whilst some should just be tasted and then forgotten. This forum is a manifestation of that theory, and people need to realise that not everything posted here is the genuine stuff. Go out and find out what works for you. Develop the style of game that exudes your personality and you'll ultimately find yourself becoming the better you.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:47 am 
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Yup. It helps to know some whats, until you get the how down. I know I needed some basic whats that opened to door for me to learn the hows on my own, to fly and fall. Now, the inner game goes well. But yeah, sometimes I'm looking for the crucial routine and I figure out how to work and and where to take it. Nothing wrong with that I think.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:12 am 
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Is it something wrong with the place or something wrong with the people trying to learn?
With some of the people. The title of this thread is intended just to make people click on the link...

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:42 pm 
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I think tactics are extremely useful. EXTREMELY.

Who wouldn't want to know the giant, a-bomb-sized impact of the false time constraint?



I do however agree than many men see routines as the only option. If you're serious about getting good I think not only should you be trying multiple things, learning from multiple teachers, but if something isn't working you should cut it out and you should always be searching for new methods and solutions with an open mind.

If you're dedicated to getting good and you have an open mind you'll get there. Some guys do inner game stuff, some guys just go out on a rite-of-passage style 7-month pickup marathon. Other people go into a secluded area for 3 months and meditate. I've heard success stories from all realms


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