One of the flaws of the community jargon, I would say, is the terminology used for 'closing'.

During my time in-field, one of the major things I've learned as I've progressed is that there is no such thing as a 'close', per se; whether this is a number or an f-close. Instead, there are 'scales' of closing.

If any of you practice the noble art of pushing boundaries to the maximum possible extent, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF LEARNING, you will realize, it's ridiculously easy to get digits in under 5 mins, by saying only a few lines, and knowing absolutely nothing about the target beyond which you can observe. But is this girl going to respond to your calls/call you back/turn up to your planned outing? Unlikely.

For me, everything you do until you f-close is just that - everything you do UNTIL you f-close. All the other 'closes' in between are just BS. They don't even exist. It's not about getting a number, or setting up a day 2. It's about how solid the number or day 2 is. It's about playing 'solid' game, taking that little extra time to seal the deal for real. Maybe this means there'll be less LMR. Maybe this means there'll be less buyer's remorse. Maybe this will be the difference between an ONS and an LTR, or a single lay or threesome.

Finally, even when f-closing, it's still a game. You're showing off your skills to a marketer. She will then tell her friends, and depending on your performance, you will have a number of interested companies on your doorstep, or, you may have just lost a customer on poor customer service.

ahh love your avatar man!

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great post raf

experience and succes definately seems to change one's perspective. K closing is a big deal for someone who is AFC. For experienced PUA's it really is no big deal.

however, be careful not to take the smaller escalation steps for granted. when looked at by themselves, they may not seem like a big deal, but in reality these steps serve an important purpose:

the small steps up the escalation ladder generally make escalation feel more natural.

don't fall into the trap of getting really good and then overlooking the details. since you are good, you will probably still have success without those details... but you may not realize just how much more successful you'd be if you continued paying attention to the details.

Hobbit - Thanks for this. That's exactly one of the key points I'm getting at. In my little group of PUAs that's our key philosophy. To push boundaries to the maximum possible extent. Hypnotica & Steve P have some great stuff on this, like sarging with a dildo strapped to your head, or sarging whilst picking your nose (haha). You put it very well though, better than me.

I recall almost a year ago, a PUA called Goldylocks and I would day game literally every day, non-stop, and we had to try and f-close shop assistants in the changing rooms!! The rules were you couldn't leave set until you've got a 'yes' or a 'no'. We got some very interesting responses.

The great thing about being rejected in many different ways and styles is that you know, when it matters, how quickly and how well you can succeed. It builds your map of calibration, you know how far you can take things, how direct you can be etc. Certainly it's a lot more far and direct than I ever envisaged. When I started out, I expected to get a lot more slaps and swear words than I have got all in all!

Sexcellent - cheers, and great points. What you said has happened to me in the past. Maybe 8-10 months ago I was going through a stage where I thought I was at a level where I could relax in set a bit, and I was getting sloppy, missing out key stages. If you work with M3, I was skipping comfort out of pure laziness. This had its negative impacts. Style & Mystery talk about this in the Annihilation method - it's easy to 'relapse' into an old, 'unresourceful' state (as the NLP fans might say). Even last week I saw a Polish HB8 on the way to work. Came back at lunch, and asked her out right off the bat. I didn't know her name or anything about her. It was GM style without the sexual explicitness. But this was pure lazy. I got her number (after reversing a number of shit tests - initially she pretended she had a bf, but we've been through all that many times) and set up a day 2, but due to my laziness she flaked. This means I'll have to go back again and play solid game before I can go out with her. Long :p.

Vicfish - I wonder if you would love it if you saw the bottom half; I'm wearing a straw skirt (it was a party I organised, and I made the theme 'beach'; see my logic ).

I know this is an old post but I wanted to read some posts of Rafiel and had a comment on this one.

It all depends on which stage of the game the PUA is at. So for beginners getting a number is a BIG CLOSE. As you progress suddenly a threesome becomes easy and the #close becomes insignificant. To be a great PUA you have to push your boundaries to see how far you could go but for a guy who is looking to find a nice girl to settle down with probably doesn't have to try to close shop assistants in changing rooms !! lol - respect man ! waiting for some LRs on that

So depending on what you 'end' goal is stretch your limits. As for me I enjoy a challenge and hence am with Rafiel on stretching my limits.

Sometimes your own success scares you: When I started off I'd game 5 nights in a row and got soo well caliberated that very quickly I could pull girls in huge sets, mixed sets and just make out with them in front of their friends at times with 2-3 friends in 10 mins time. But then I had to step back and see what my goal was and whether I really intended to become the 'man whore' I was begining to be !! - A reality check