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Ladies and gentlemen.

In order to be a good player, it's very important to understand the difference between both sexes. Both girls and men, loves sex but there is some differences as well.

Personally, understanding each other sexuality is key in order to get good. You have to learn about her sexuality, but also your own. Both will give you amazing results. Many beginners, or even skilled pua's tend to forget these aspects.

Do you know what you like? Are you going for it?
What kind of fantasies do you have? What kind of sexual acts do you fantasies about or enjoy? How often are you confident enought about it to show your partner?

EVERYONE, have at least 1 kinky sex fantasy. Some of them are crazy. I wish I never get to know what kind of porn you recently watched. Everyone got fantasies.
Females, don't watch porn as much as men, but they fantasies in their head. They prefer create their own images, rather than watching pictures or videos. This is also why females tend to read porn. This allows them to create their own image in their head.

So what is the conclusion here? Both men and women have sex fantasies, they just got different ways to perceive them.

But if women have sex fantasies, that means she loves sex?

Yes of course, you have might read it many places. It's a common belief the PU community teaches men. But a belief is never real, before it's backed up with either facts or field experience. You won't fully let this belief be alive untill you have experiemented how kinky girls are. I tell you my brothers! Girls are freaks! (in a good way)

I can't give you the field experience, but, I can give you some facts, which will reinforce that belief:
_ Girls needs to love sex, if not most of us wouldn't exist
_ Girls can get much stronger orgasms than men.
_ Women can get 8 types of orgasms
_ Women can experience serial orgasms (oh you wished you could broh!)

They can also experience multiple orgasms at the same time, but men can also do it. Men can get 3 kinds of orgasms and one of them is in your asshole, which isn't an option for the most.

But then if girls loves sex, why is she shotting me down for being sexual?
2 reasons:
_ ASD: System for not being seen as sluts
_ Simply not aroused (back to that later)

ASD, comes from a long time ago...
In the time were men controlled everything. Everymen had a lot more power than women. I am not saying it's or bad, it's just a fact. We are now talking about back to 1200-1800

Men wrote the grammar, men wrote about religion...
Men controled.

So if men wrote about religion, they naturally created the "asd" thing, here is why:

In fact, marriage was introduced for good reasons. Men, while heading to war for their king, they needed a way to safe their women home, so the soldiers could feel safe about noone fucking their chicks while away.

Remember, men want to conquer, winning and owning something and KEEP it if that's their desire. Look all conquerrors are men! Ceasar, Napoleon, Genghis Khan, Attila, Hittler, Rockefeller, Obama...

Men want power and control, have the feeling of conquerring. For this reason marriage have been set with the purpose of holding girls back so the men could have full control on the girl.

And if the girl broke the rules, she would get bullied , and in worst case killed. Girls still get killed in some Islamic countries. Don't forget that Islam and the Christian religion are brothers and pretty similare, created with one purpose, controlling, either in a negativ or positiv way.
Men wrote these both books. Mohammed or Peter.

The reason I am referring this is because religion is the primary factor of this issue.

Prostitution is one of the oldest jobs for females. In old days, women didn't work, they just took care of their man. Unless Hoe's, which was of course... was a negativ lifestyle. Fucking many guys was related to a hoe, which had tons of STD's and shit. No my man let me tell you they didn't have condoms at that time.

Sleeping with a hoe was sleeping with something lose and unclean. And when a guy is thinking about a sexually liberated girl (aka what they call a lose girl) they got an image of her in their head about an unclean pussy (at least i had)

So as we can see here, men also judges girls for being open sexually.
If a girl is cute, you will be attracted. But if you ever get to know, that she fucked 10 guys the few last weeks, you owuld judge her. Now let's get a bit ethical. Why can you, as a man be allowed to do so without being judged, and why can't she do it?

She is human, she loves sex, then we shouldn't judge. Would you judge a girl if when you are fucking her, asks you to fuck her ass?
If so... you will not stay her sex provider for long. More easely said, you won't keep her.

If a women tells you her sex fantasy of being verbally gangbanged, would you judge? many will... without being aware of one of the most common male sex fantasies is having sex with multiple women.

If you in your reality, is judging women sexually, you will uncounsciously vibe it. It will be seen on your vibe. Some way you will project it. What you project comes from your reality. This is why inner game is so important for example.
No girls want a man which will judge her for a physiological needs.

But let's recap this: Girls having sex too often = uncool, following society's morales.

So following society's morales a girl having sex is not viewed in a good way.

This put's up a logic barrier in women head (remember a human brain is 50% logic, 50% emotional) against being sexual. Since men are more logic than women, they will spot a females logic, which is "I am not slutty" which comes from her logical brain, without catching up her emotionals, which are more often vibbed non verbally.


But what about men?

For men, it's almost cool to have multiple sex partners, or having sex with multiple girls.
As we said earlier, men enjoyed conquering. By seducing a women, they feel they have conquerred yet another girl. What does it do to men? Well it satisfies their ego. Let me guess, most of you guys here, are into pu in order to feel cool no?

This is why men can act sexual toward women, without being horny. In fact is their ego who makes them chase a women for the lay, and not their sex drive. Personally i prefer laying a chick out of horniness, because it feel better.
Females, do not get validation (exception, always!) from having sex with men, but they get validated different ways. The most current of them, is getting attention. Especially male attention. This is why women flake, because when she flakes, you keep chasing and she keeps getting attention. Infact you provide it to her!

So infact a man have 2 drives which leads him toward sex. The ego and horniness. Since girls do not have an ego to lay you, she needs to be horny for acting sexual toward you. Here is were sexual intent and sexual escalations plays a role. IT's freaking IMPORTANT.

In order to make a women acting sexual, you need to arouse her and never show any vibes of being judgemental. If you are judgemental she will never open herself up.

Thanks for your attention.
Untill next time,

Questions? Comments?

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_ Women can get 8 types of orgasms
Can you elaborate on the names/kinds of these 8? I know there are a lot, but I don't think I've been introduced to all 8.
Of course.

Just be aware, that there isn't only 8 kind of orgasms. Someone can get orgasms just by being slapped (like myself) or being teased (me aswell)

I meant more that there is 8 different kind of orgasmics spots on her body, or the most common parts. I remember a girl got orgasms from having her hair pulled.
These are:

_ Clit orgasm: Stimulate the little part on the top of her pussy
_ A spot: Deep inside the vagina, same move as the G-spot, which mean upside, just this time.. move deep inside.
_ U spot: Believe me or not, it's the urin hole, not many
_ G spot: half finger inside her vagina, and upside moves.
_ Deepspot: Same as A-spot, deep inside, but stimulate with a downside move instead(its the wall between her vagina anus)
_ Mental : so madly horny that she comes. Imposing the right sexual frame.
_ Anal: anal orgasms is half mental, the women is on a trip to sexual fantasies, while her Deepspot is getting stimulated (since its the wall between anus and vagina)
_ Breast: play with her breasts.


Just remember, at least 50% of an orgasm is mental, 50% or less is physical. This is why mental stimulation and how you act in bed plays the biggest roles.

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Amazing Post.

I agree with you that many guys don't take this into account as often as they should. Understanding that women are sexual creatures as much as men is essential.

I know that starting out this was a hurdle for me. Men are brought up to believe that women don't typically have thoughts like that. Society as well makes it out that men are the ones with all the dirty thoughts and women are just in better control of their own thoughts.

The truth of the matter is most definitely that women think about sex as often if not more often then men. In fact many of them have strong sexual fantasies and desires as TVA_Oslo mentioned.

A graet way to get past this mindset that women don't think this way is to read a very good book called "My Secret Garden" by Nancy Friday. The author went on craigslist and had women write her with their deepest sexual fantasies however bazar they may be. She used these fantasies and some of her own to write a book about them to open up mens minds about what women truly desire. And also to put down the stereotype women didn't think this way.

Again, excellent post TVA.


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If a girl is cute, you will be attracted. But if you ever get to know, that she fucked 10 guys the few last weeks, you owuld judge her. Now let's get a bit ethical. Why can you, as a man be allowed to do so without being judged, and why can't she do it?
I agree that women should not be judged for having sex with many/numerous partners as you mention, but only if they are genuinely attracted to the guy. its the girls that are sleeping with numerous guys FOR THE WRONG REASONS that are sluts in my opinion. these 'sluts' normally do it to fulfill an emotional need that they are lacking somewhere else in their life...they are looking for a quick emotional fix in all the wrong places. the attention they get from a one night stand may make them feel a bit better about themselves but this is only temporary, the next morning she's feeling just as rotten as she did before. (she is using sex as an escape, like a drug). if however she genuinely is attracted to the guy, by all means fuck his brains out!

another reason why women are judged more is due to the fact that women take more of a risk when having sex than us men do. they risk being knocked up and having to support the child while the guy fucks off and is never to be seen again. when a women sleeps around, it turns a lot of men off as she is deemed as 'irresponsible' for this very reason. also, if you are a male looking to settle down, you would avoid this type of girl as the chances of her sticking with you are not as high...because she has already established a pattern of moving from one guy to the next. its natural for us to go on stats and 'judge' like this....i mean would you marry a girl that has cheated on all 5 of her husbands? you have to 'judge' to her SOME degree. maybe judge isnt the word, but rather size her up as a person/character in order to decide whether she is good for you or not.


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great post, good read.


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If a girl is cute, you will be attracted. But if you ever get to know, that she fucked 10 guys the few last weeks, you owuld judge her. Now let's get a bit ethical. Why can you, as a man be allowed to do so without being judged, and why can't she do it?
I agree that women should not be judged for having sex with many/numerous partners as you mention, but only if they are genuinely attracted to the guy. its the girls that are sleeping with numerous guys FOR THE WRONG REASONS that are sluts in my opinion. these 'sluts' normally do it to fulfill an emotional need that they are lacking somewhere else in their life...they are looking for a quick emotional fix in all the wrong places. the attention they get from a one night stand may make them feel a bit better about themselves but this is only temporary, the next morning she's feeling just as rotten as she did before. (she is using sex as an escape, like a drug). if however she genuinely is attracted to the guy, by all means fuck his brains out!

another reason why women are judged more is due to the fact that women take more of a risk when having sex than us men do. they risk being knocked up and having to support the child while the guy fucks off and is never to be seen again. when a women sleeps around, it turns a lot of men off as she is deemed as 'irresponsible' for this very reason. also, if you are a male looking to settle down, you would avoid this type of girl as the chances of her sticking with you are not as high...because she has already established a pattern of moving from one guy to the next. its natural for us to go on stats and 'judge' like this....i mean would you marry a girl that has cheated on all 5 of her husbands? you have to 'judge' to her SOME degree. maybe judge isnt the word, but rather size her up as a person/character in order to decide whether she is good for you or not.
She should be judged. Nobody wants a slut unless you are a little kid in some shitty provincial town in the middle of God knows where. My suggestion is to avoid tramps. Let horny little kids chase after them. Stand up for yourself. I speak for most of this world when I say that a good girl is a virgin until she finds the right guy.


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Good post!

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TVA, respect for the post!!!!!!!
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good girl is a virgin until she finds the right guy.
Is the reverse true?
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a good guy is a virgin until he finds the right girl?
I wonder?

To Visionx:
Now i want to ask, what’s a good girl? And even more importantly, what is a ‘right guy’? And since when being good or not is defined by one’s sexual activity?
What if the girl loses her virginity with a guy who she thought to be ‘right’ but in reality isn’t? Is it her fault that guys have the ability to be manipulative and lying creatures (note: I don’t say that females don’t have the same ability!). Also, nowadays sex (thanks god) isn’t seen only as a reproductive activity but also a, hopefully, shared pleasure, and here comes the question… when I go to the shop I buy m&ms, I go home and I enjoy the taste, the colors, the melting chocolate… I’ve never promised the m&ms that I won’t eat any other candy… so the next day I go o the shop and buy Lindt Strawberry Chocolate, I go home and I am absolutely speechless because the taste is so different and yet amazingly tingly and sweet. Does ‘experimenting with different candies’ make me a bad person? Why when a guy is having a ‘chocolate orgy’ is considered to be cool…but when I do it I am considered to be bad and lose? That’s not really fair… and moreover how am I supposed to really know what kind of chocolate I love if I don’t try different ones? Should I end up sticking to one and bore myself to death just because I haven’t been given the right to actually try different ones and finally find the one that I can eat for the rest of my life and enjoy it every time as much as I enjoyed the first bite?
Why should I repress my sexuality in order to get a guy fall in love with me,isn’t he then falling in love with some illusive version of myself ? Isn’t that a lie? So not only I have to repress and hide my real sexuality but I also have to live a live with a man who loves me for not who I actually am, but for someone who he wants me to be?
Women are sexual…really sexual… so we should just remain silent and lie to your face, instead of open up, be honest and stay true to ourselves and our desires? Where’s the logic behind that? You like to be lied to?
I am 23 years old, sexual human being. I love sex and I practice it. I still haven’t found the right men (or maybe I have…will see), does that mean that I should deprive myself of the pleasure that sexual experience gives me? Isn’t the ‘right guy’ supposed to love me for who I am (and who I am is what my experience /sexual, social …human/ has made me)..???
Sex is one of the basic needs… air, water, food, sex. If you believe that you will find a woman that is mentally ok and has never had a glass of water before you gave one to her… well I wish you good luck ;)

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Now i want to ask, what’s a good girl? And even more importantly, what is a ‘right guy’? And since when being good or not is defined by one’s sexual activity?
What if the girl loses her virginity with a guy who she thought to be ‘right’ but in reality isn’t? Is it her fault that guys have the ability to be manipulative and lying creatures (note: I don’t say that females don’t have the same ability!). Also, nowadays sex (thanks god) isn’t seen only as a reproductive activity but also a, hopefully, shared pleasure, and here comes the question… when I go to the shop I buy m&ms, I go home and I enjoy the taste, the colors, the melting chocolate… I’ve never promised the m&ms that I won’t eat any other candy… so the next day I go o the shop and buy Lindt Strawberry Chocolate, I go home and I am absolutely speechless because the taste is so different and yet amazingly tingly and sweet. Does ‘experimenting with different candies’ make me a bad person? Why when a guy is having a ‘chocolate orgy’ is considered to be cool…but when I do it I am considered to be bad and lose? That’s not really fair… and moreover how am I supposed to really know what kind of chocolate I love if I don’t try different ones? Should I end up sticking to one and bore myself to death just because I haven’t been given the right to actually try different ones and finally find the one that I can eat for the rest of my life and enjoy it every time as much as I enjoyed the first bite?
Why should I repress my sexuality in order to get a guy fall in love with me,isn’t he then falling in love with some illusive version of myself ? Isn’t that a lie? So not only I have to repress and hide my real sexuality but I also have to live a live with a man who loves me for not who I actually am, but for someone who he wants me to be?
Women are sexual…really sexual… so we should just remain silent and lie to your face, instead of open up, be honest and stay true to ourselves and our desires? Where’s the logic behind that? You like to be lied to?
I am 23 years old, sexual human being. I love sex and I practice it. I still haven’t found the right men (or maybe I have…will see), does that mean that I should deprive myself of the pleasure that sexual experience gives me? Isn’t the ‘right guy’ supposed to love me for who I am (and who I am is what my experience /sexual, social …human/ has made me)..???
Sex is one of the basic needs… air, water, food, sex. If you believe that you will find a woman that is mentally ok and has never had a glass of water before you gave one to her… well I wish you good luck ;)

Cheers
Jez

P.s Half chocolate is no chocolate

Thats good Jezebel, that needs its own thread and then it should be stickied. Thats the problem with alot of guys here, they refer to the women who do the same things they do as sluts, hoes or whatever derogatory term.

I bet if a poll was taken here more than 90% the men here would look down on women for having had multiple sex partners in their life or if they're not exclusively with just one person or if they have options with more than one man from whom they can have sex with.

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TVA, respect for the post!!!!!!!
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good girl is a virgin until she finds the right guy.
Is the reverse true?
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a good guy is a virgin until he finds the right girl?
I wonder?

To Visionx:
Now i want to ask, what’s a good girl? And even more importantly, what is a ‘right guy’? And since when being good or not is defined by one’s sexual activity?
What if the girl loses her virginity with a guy who she thought to be ‘right’ but in reality isn’t? Is it her fault that guys have the ability to be manipulative and lying creatures (note: I don’t say that females don’t have the same ability!). Also, nowadays sex (thanks god) isn’t seen only as a reproductive activity but also a, hopefully, shared pleasure, and here comes the question… when I go to the shop I buy m&ms, I go home and I enjoy the taste, the colors, the melting chocolate… I’ve never promised the m&ms that I won’t eat any other candy… so the next day I go o the shop and buy Lindt Strawberry Chocolate, I go home and I am absolutely speechless because the taste is so different and yet amazingly tingly and sweet. Does ‘experimenting with different candies’ make me a bad person? Why when a guy is having a ‘chocolate orgy’ is considered to be cool…but when I do it I am considered to be bad and lose? That’s not really fair… and moreover how am I supposed to really know what kind of chocolate I love if I don’t try different ones? Should I end up sticking to one and bore myself to death just because I haven’t been given the right to actually try different ones and finally find the one that I can eat for the rest of my life and enjoy it every time as much as I enjoyed the first bite?
Why should I repress my sexuality in order to get a guy fall in love with me,isn’t he then falling in love with some illusive version of myself ? Isn’t that a lie? So not only I have to repress and hide my real sexuality but I also have to live a live with a man who loves me for not who I actually am, but for someone who he wants me to be?
Women are sexual…really sexual… so we should just remain silent and lie to your face, instead of open up, be honest and stay true to ourselves and our desires? Where’s the logic behind that? You like to be lied to?
I am 23 years old, sexual human being. I love sex and I practice it. I still haven’t found the right men (or maybe I have…will see), does that mean that I should deprive myself of the pleasure that sexual experience gives me? Isn’t the ‘right guy’ supposed to love me for who I am (and who I am is what my experience /sexual, social …human/ has made me)..???
Sex is one of the basic needs… air, water, food, sex. If you believe that you will find a woman that is mentally ok and has never had a glass of water before you gave one to her… well I wish you good luck ;)

Cheers
Jez

P.s Half chocolate is no chocolate
Jezebel, I think this was meant to be directed at expat_of_love rather than myself?....my post didnt mention anything to do with finding the 'right guy' and losing one's virginity. i agree with your post nonetheless, i would just like to comment on one statement.
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Does ‘experimenting with different candies’ make me a bad person? Why when a guy is having a ‘chocolate orgy’ is considered to be cool…but when I do it I am considered to be bad and lose?
IMO, its only considered loose if youre having a chocolate orgy for the wrong reasons. read my post above and let me know if you think its healthy for a girl to have sex for alternative reasons that i have mentioned (ie. looking for a quick fix to make up for emotional shortfalls in other areas of her life, basically trying to use sex to get attention and feel wanted, this often results in sleeping with a guy that she is not necessarily even attracted to and hence probably wont enjoy it a great deal, this is what i mean by slutty/unhealthy sexual behavior for a women. women should do it because they are attracted to the guy, because they love sex themselves,and because they love pleasuring their man (it sounds like you are this way which is great, so continue your chocolate orgy! :), however they shouldnt do it in the aim of winning attention and agree to sex when they dont really 'want' it for the purposes of arousal/pleasure, but rather for ulterior motives which are not even related to sex. hope this makes sense.


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Reo, thank you:)

I wrote this post at ...maybe 3 o’clock in the morning. I might have made a mistake with the nicknames, so if I have excuse me for that. Nevertheless it doesn’t really matter who was the original author of the reply that made me write my answer. I just wanted to point out the things I hopefully succeeded to point out.
And now finally, surely at Visionx ;):
Having sex for the wrong reasons… I believe that every one of us has done it. No matter what the reason was; ego, seeking attention, using it as a nephene extract (the quick fix) or whatever. And yet again that doesn’t make us ‘bad’, it just makes us human beings – confused; sometimes lost and scared; sometimes hurting. I don’t say that it is right to have sex because of that kind of reasons, NO it isn’t! Because after you’re done you are left feeling even more confused and lost. But as I mentioned, women and men are just human beings, we learn from our mistakes, that is what makes us thinking creatures, what develops us and help us to grow up. Our mistakes don’t make us sluts, neither bad people. The way we think can categories us, our actions are just the reflections of our thoughts. Actions sometimes are read wrongly by outside viewers. Judging is something that every person does, consciously or subconsciously. The thing that I’ve learnt for myself and I try to apply it every day is that we need to look deeper and stop being that superficial. The things we see are sometimes not the things in their real form. Our eyes show us only just a little piece of the whole puzzle, it takes time to see the whole picture; too sad that too many people aren’t willing to take the time and figure out the puzzle.
Many people when going through a very difficult period of their life aren’t able to look clearly at their situation, their actions, and the surrounding world. Often they tend to blind themselves in order to feel better. Usually we judge and instead of diving deeper we only look at the top part of the iceberg. We are not only wrong when doing that but also we become ignorant and ignorance in my opinion is stupidity and stupidity isn’t anything else but fear of the unknown.
Fear is a common human feature we just need to make ‘giving chances’ one as well.
Deciphering the human logic isn’t easy, not only because it is a very complex mixture of background knowledge and experience but also because very often our personal feelings interfere with our logic. I’ve heard so many times the statement that women are emotional and men are logical. I can’t agree on that. We are perplexed combination of all that. When looking at sex as physical ability to reproduce ourselves, oh yes indeed, it is very logical, it’s pure chemistry and biology. Also many people tend to explain emotions such as falling in love, fear and so on, on the basis of chemical reactions in our bodies. Nevertheless these scientific researches/facts, don’t make it clearer for us. Logic fails us many times, it fails me right now. The more I think about logic the more illogical it becomes. When I have emotions /bad or good/ I don’t explain them to myself using my scientific background knowledge, and even when I try to that doesn’t help me to deal with them. When I fall out of love, I don’t go to the library searching for answers; rather I call a friend who will bring a bottle of wine and a shoulder that I can hang on to for the next couple of hours.
I am just trying to say that we are as much as logical as emotional. When making one mistake because of our emotional status we can just hope that the next time when we are facing the same situation we will search for the logical solution. And yet again our logic and our emotions are a product of chemical processes that we can hardly understand.
I am not sure if I made myself clear … I really hope that I did at least at some point ;)
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Great post TVA!
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She should be judged. Nobody wants a slut unless you are a little kid in some shitty provincial town in the middle of God knows where. My suggestion is to avoid tramps. Let horny little kids chase after them. Stand up for yourself. I speak for most of this world when I say that a good girl is a virgin until she finds the right guy.
If girls should be judged then men should be judged. I believe that no one should get judged for having sex with many partners. People (especially women) who have a lot of sexual partners are just more honest about there feelings and there is nothing wrong with that.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:12 pm 
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Men can get 3 kinds of orgasms and one of them is in your asshole, which isn't an option for the most.

In my usual romantic language...

Your knob, your arsehole and... i'm guessing the other one is mental?


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