I'm currently listening to the Power of Now cds from Eckhardt Tolle to try to get a handle on my overthinking and emotions. I've always felt a little weird expressing sexuality to strangers.

Brought into such strong sexual frame; Yup, I'd hav sex with Chief, but wldn't even wan to c him in e streets after dat.

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brilliant

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That was really interesting to read.

I loved how you mentioned the genetics.
It reminds me of a power point my geometry teacher showed me last year.
You should look up the "Golden Rectangle". Basicly, its a ratio that is almost every were in nature. The people we naturally view as beautiful have features that are etxreamly close to the ratio of a Golden Rectangle.

I just love how all this science stuff relates to atraction!

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Burning angelwings to dust

I haven't read the entire thread, but this is my understanding of it. This is coming from more of a spiritual perspective than a PU one, but certain things can be extrapolated.

Essentially what we are dealing with here, is social programming vs a womans true self. Each and every one of us is socailly programmed in some way, this happens from birth - the only true way to escape it is through spiritual enlightenment. We learn how to behave in social settings, and indeed private settings, primarily from our parents but also from society, on a wider scale. This social programming, results in our minds creating an identity or self-image for ourselves, in every thing imaginable, from our nationality, to us being a fan of a certain football team, to being a "nice guy", a PUA, right down to our name. All of these are merely labels that we have learned to apply to ourselves, but which do not represent our true selves, in the sense that we are actually human beings. Everything else gets added on top like layers, partly because as the human mind has evolved, it has reached the level, it controls us, our actions, and our beliefs, instead of us using it. This is not who we are at our deepest level.

The difference between the Gunwitch method and other models, that incorporate DHV, negging etc. is that the Gunwitch method bypasses the social programming, or false self, that a woman, and society, has of her and gets right to the true-self, the woman is, at here deepest level - one of the animals that has evolved on this planet, and that has reproducing as one of its core functions.

What other models attempt to do, and this is just my understanding of it, is to negotiate through the social programming, that is ingrained in a woman to arrive at a point where physical attraction is developed between the two, this is largely done, not by DHVing or negging, which serve to negotiate the social programming, but through gradually becoming more suggestive with regard to sex and through Kino, physical touch.

This escalation to more sexually charged conversation and kino, are what starts to cause a woman's true, natural self, to progressively awaken. Once this does, and the animal instinct kicks in, it is stronger than any attempt to reconcile yourself with what a woman's mind, and society, tells her is a suitable mate. When she is telling her friends about the guy, she will not see him as some guy who seduced and fucked her, she will not be able to describe how the guy made her feel, because there are no words that can accurately describe your true self, the self that is at the core of spiritual enlightenment. For her it will be like trying to explain the taste of honey, to people who have never tasted it. No words she will ever use will manage it.

When she says that she cannot descirbe how he makes her feel, her friends will, on a deeper level, accept this because this is a perfectly acceptable, social definition of love. Their own social programming and jealousy however may lead to them branding her a slut, but so long as her social programming does not kick back in, she will sooner fall out with friends than go without, what can be a very spiritual experience.

Obviously, if the guy never meets her again, then she will realise that the experience will not be repeated, with him, and her social programming could kick in again. Also, if the man fails to commit to a relationship, then her natural instincts will kick in and realise that this guy does not want to pro-create with her, so she must decide whether or not to continue the relationship.

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hey Kbell, how are you finding it? It is a book, I personally think, everyone should read. I just read the Apocolypse Opener on puaratings (it was linked in this thread I think), and Ciaran mentions it there. I picked up a couple of his other books as well and started to go through "A new Earth - Awakening to your Life's purpose", but put it down because I'm not really ready to read it just yet - I want to quit smoking first.

I actually thought it would be more of a hinderance to "sarging" than a help, but having read some of the threads on here, and using inference it is clear that it can only be a help. Such things as operating in the present moment, not allowing your past social conditioning to affect you, not to project or fantasize about the future, and also in recognising other peoples social conditioning. It completely disintegrated my understanding of God and put so much shit into perspective - well I did that but the book acted as a gateway. It is relevant to every single aspect of your life.

Definitely recommend anyone and everyone to read it.

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roosh pretty much hit the nail on the head

I think seduction/relationships are based on a combination

Value; offers a point of reference as to why she likes you (a sub-header of this qualification, lets her know why you are into her and not just after sex)

Sexuality; shows confidence and builds attraction, it also allows her to act how she wants to sexually and lets her let go of social programming.

Investment; boosts the entire interaction on every level her mind is thinking.


So in short value lets it be ok to like you and justifies a relationship. Sexuality lets her do what she wants etc. Investment gets her valuing you more infact you could draw this entire list as a ring. I may well do that x


Edit: wapow picture time




I think this is the best way to get either a ONS or a LTR the sttraction switches etc are the same IMO (damn I have TLAs hahaa)

Personally I never have a time frame or deadline for a close, actually I never even have a specific goal for a meeting or date, so all this talk of accelerating the "process" and skipping stages is very alien to me.

I just go with the flow and try to generate as much attraction and interest as I can and then really just let nature take its course. In the event this has ranged from having sex within 25 minutes to only after many dates over several weeks and if truth be told actually prefer the latter, but then I am someone who is over 40 and who is in no big hurry to get yet another woman into bed.

Thing is that once I'm in a one-on-one conversation with a woman giving me IOIs its no longer a question of "if" but rather "when" and so I suppose I enjoy the uncertainty. And I think that the women pick up on the total lack of time pressure which ironically makes them more relaxed and aroused. I also like the challenge of generating so much attraction that she makes the first overt move, definitely not into accelerating or ploughing or whatever to push things along.

No, my sticking point is the initial approach but that can wait for another thread ...

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For some reason, I just can't see the Gunwitch Method actually creating feelings of emotional attraction. Nor can I see it being as much fun or as useful in a social gathering as traditional pick-up, where the target is surrounded by a group of her friends. I don't know why, exactly, but it doesn't seem practical.

Maybe it's because pick-up is, for me, not only about women, but also being a good socializer and having a good time -- whereas this method seems to be focused merely on the goal of getting the girl in bed.

I have the same problem with Speed Seduction.

Just wanted to give a quick situational anecdote on this:

I live in a non-English speaking country and was eating with this french expat girl. We both spoke English and 3 other people were at the dinner. They were talking about how tall I was and I replied by gazing at her and saying "yeah... I'm really long". She laughed and said:"You say tall when you talk about your height and you say long when you talk about the size of your penis".

The use of that innocent linguistic mistake sexualized the setting at the dinner table for everyone.

This is a great way of deliberately using the fact that you're foreign to your advantage.

ps: first post.

Cheers for the post, it was a good read.


I'm a little confused as to some of the responses though. Specificially the implication in some posts that, if you meet a girl and you boink on the same night, then immediately after the orgasm you can't possibly have any form of conversation and one party must leg it out the door and run buck naked down the street, because otherwise the world will end!!

I guess I disagree with the fundimental idea that picking up a girl, and having a relationship with a girl, are two completely incompatible goals. In fact, the times as an AFC I've 'got lucky', the aftermath tends to be the easiest time to get to know -really know- someone.

You've seen her boobies! She's seen your winky! Most of the usual bullshit people go through is pretty much out the window at this point, and if there is any sort of meaningful connection there, your pretty much guarenteed to find it. And isn't that the ultimate point of all of this - to widen as much as possible the search for that connection?

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"The society that separates scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools." - Thucydides

Seize the day with love

Sometimes you succeed, and sometimes you learn.

To all you AFCs, this is the essence of game. I started out by looking at all this canned crap, which you don't really need.

It's just sexual tension, forget DHV, forget long ass creepy routines where you try to "trick her" into sex, that is low.

Couple days ago, in club, Push-Pull is the most effective strategy for this. We were this close to kissing, then backed off, then went for long kiss with tongue. I was touching her side, then she moved away a little, then i pushed her against the wall (it's the shit you see in movies that gets me laid like rockstar) and squeezed her ass. The only opener I used was Hi. You don't need to talk alot if you don't like to (I dont, so I don't say much, listen if she likes to talk, throw in a compliment here and there).

Everything about you has to be dedicated to sex, your eyes, your strong body and frame. If you are really into her, she will feel this and get even more into you, don't flinch when the shit tests come. Break through anything with confidence.

Took her to the bathroom and she was dripping

Be the AMOG.
Frank the Man