For most of my life I clung to a moral principle: do not insult other people, whether subtly or directly.

I avoided such behaviour because I thought it was low-class, and unnecessary for someone whose value was self-evident.

But I'm seeing evidence that, in the context of intrasexual rivals (other dudes), it's incredibly powerful to denigrate them in subtle ways; it can hugely reshape the perception of these guys in the eyes of women.

If a guy is trying to punk you or clown you or steal your girl, you can irreparably damage his value in the eyes of a girl if you can hint, indirectly, that the guy is a loser.

This sounds nasty and low-class, yes. But guess what. It fucking works. And guys WILL do it to you. Accept the reality of this, and deal with it.

Examples.

1. I dated a girl for a year, and during this time she met a beta. A super-beta. An uber-fucking-beta. He CONTINUALLY derogated me, saying I was a douchebag, an asshole, a controlling person, a selfish person, that I was using her for temporary sex and that he - the beta - would provide her with love and life-long commitment.

He convinced her of many of these things, and, long story short, the relationship ended badly.

2. A guy I know is extremely jealous in general of guys who are successful - he is jealous of some of my achievements, and he's jealous that a girl he masturbates furiously to every night was in love with me once but I LJBF'd her.
In conversation with her, he tried to frame me as a loser - "ahh, Jack, poor old Jack. He got dropped from his job lately, and probably doesn't have much going for him right now". Etc. Etc. That angers me, not because it's true, but because perception is reality. She may view me as lower status now. Yes, my short term contract is up at work, but fuck knows I have a lot going for me.


In an ideal, egalitarian, equalist world, none of this shit would be necessary. But it works; that's reality.

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The “Four Fs” are the four basic drives that animals (including humans) are evolutionarily adapted to be good at: fighting, fleeing, feeding, and reproduction.

This, in my opinion, sounds exactley like AMOGing. Whats worse is that the person is doing it behind your back seems to lower his social value. Why is that person making fun of you? Do they have nothing better to do?

You have to remind the girl that such insults are childs play. If the person really cared, or the person had any sense of pride/integrity/guts/balls, then he would say these types of things to your face.

I find it hard to believe that these guys would land the girl after successfully breaking her away from the other guy because they will be percieved as having such a low value that it isn't worth it.

All guys will try to do it, but they fail to realize that what they are doing isn't helping them, it is only hurting their reputation and value.

TBH all you have mentioned is AMOGing, I just deal with it by showing how childish it is.

There are verrrry subtle ways to do it, if you're socially clued in.

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The “Four Fs” are the four basic drives that animals (including humans) are evolutionarily adapted to be good at: fighting, fleeing, feeding, and reproduction.

Please do explain, I have seen all out full scale amoging, behind the back sniping, and under the table kind of stuff.

I highly doubt you have discovered anything new.