Hi,

So I'm a girl, and I'm really interested in all this game and pick up stuff (but very new to it), for two reasons:

One is that I have a couple of really great male friends who are hopeless at meeting girls, but really deserve to find and meet a lot of them- I want to know, how, as a woman, I could help them do this, for example when we go out together, is there a good role that I could play as a wingwoman in order to get girls interested in them/talking to them etc. Any ideas?

Two- the reason I found out about this is because a man I knew managed to manipulate me into sleeping with him despite the fact I have a boyfriend, am not at all the cheating type, and couldn't believe what I was doing. What'sworse, is that I noticed he was saying odd things to me, touching me kind of deliberately and at weird times, suddenly start talking about sex or something sexual with no natural lead-up to it in the conversation, and other things, such as EDITED OUT BY MODERATOR - See response below. I was really resistant to this questioning, because I felt like he was trying to manipulate me somehow, so it didn't work in that sense, but still, somehow it all worked- I never wanted to rip someone's clothes off so much in my life, despite previously having barely noticed him. So I looked into whether there were techniques men use in that sort of situation, and ended up finding this site and others.

I tested him, by talking in a group of friends about what I'd discovered, and unsuprisingly, he became really uncomfortable and walked away from the group and looked nervous, and then said he knew what I was talking about and that 'it worked.'

So I'm curious to know what people on here think: did this guy somehow manipulate or trick me into bed with him (I was mentally in a very vulnerable place at the time, which he knew) or do you think that if the girl does it, it's only because she actually wants to, you're just making her realise she wants to?

I'm all up for men finding new ways of becoming confident and showing women how great they really are (as I said, I'd like to find ways of helping my lovely friends in that regard) but I'm confused about the darker stuff- I hate that man now, because I feel like he robbed me of something, that while not being against my will, was rather manipulating my will in order that it be in line with his, which I feel now, is almost worse!

Any thoughts? Thanks

Hey there,

There are a couples of girls around this forum and I'm sure some of them can give you sound advice. As for your questions:

1- Yes, you can have a huge role to play to help your guy frinds to pick up. A pivot (women wing) is one of the best thing a guy can have around him. They will have to get into this stuff themself though, and or their own free will though. There is nothing you can do to get them laid or hooked up if they don't want to improve themselves.

2- Well there is one saying most of us go by: " Leave her better then you found her". If you feel that that wasn't the case, then he missed something. As for the manipulation bit, I don't belive in manipulating one bit. Let me ask you, what is more manipulative, touching a women and talking to her in certain ways that make her feel attracted? Or the more common way, but her flowers and invite her to date and pay for meals and drinks and hope because you spent all that money on her that that will make her want to sleep/go out with you? Yeah, I'm exagerating, but I think you understand what I'm leading out.

Oh, and no amount of manipualtion, bribing, talking, touching, alchool could make me sleep with a women If I didn't want to. My girl friends fell the same way. Saying "oh I was drunk I would of never done that other wise" is just poor excuse for allowing your true desires to come out. All this 'maniplation' doesn't change your desires. It melts your resistance to them

Cheers! and welcome!

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What a refreshing post, to have one written by a woman. Welcome and i hope i can help.

1. Well you could introduce them to the game, put Neil Strauss's book in with another x-mas present. Just say look i found this and its an interesting read and i think you deserve to be involved in it. If he gets grouchy you can explain how you feel and say "Look i wouldnt give this sort of thing to someone i didnt care about and trust".

2. Right this is a realy important part of the Game.(And its one that ive had to explain to one of my best mates, who is a girl, time and time again) The Game will not take away your free will. You never lose any of your facultys. The Game works to create and build emotion and thus attraction. Its how you deal with that emotion that counts. The Game gives males with no social skills, or lack of skills, a chance to develop themselfs, with the tools to do so. No successfull PUA would flinch at the subject being mentiond. I am so intregued when i hear it talked about, even if it is very rare.
However if he took advantage of you when you were vunerable, he is(Opinion) not a PUA just a little boy who is using something he read to his personal Game. I personaly live by the motto that "You leave a girl as good as or better off than you find her". Ive personaly found myself in bed with a woman when i was vunerable, just after splitting up with my ex. I know that there was a part of me, however much i dislike it, that wanted to do it. Its a hard truth but i look at it in terms of it as 'they were there when i needed them, i trusted her/him and it helped me.' Its all down to the induvidual. But i cant stress enough The Game is not mind control it is the keys that give a male the basis of attraction, confidence, and self worth that make us attractive to women.

Hope this Helped, Saint

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First of all, congratulations on having what may well be the most clever username I have ever seen on any forum, ever. Seriously, that's awesome.

As for your first question, there are absolutely ways you can help (the primary function a wingwoman serves is to give the appearance of a hot girl enjoying the shit out of a particular guy's company), but nothing is going to change for your friends unless they make the conscious effort to change themselves. Or at the very least, evolve. Either way, this impetus can only come from inside those guys, usually bred from disgust over one's lot in life. It can't come from you.

Part two is a little more tricky to answer. You say yourself that you were in a moment of weakness when all this took place--taking advantage of that is not a PUA "technique" per se so much as it is the way shady-ass dudes have gotten laid for centuries. I doubt any guru or even competent seducer would recommend hustling the shit out of somebody who's obviously going through emotional turmoil; neither do they have to, since anyone who's ever watched an episode of Friends can tell you it's easy to wind up in bed with a girl who's vulnerable.

You answered your own question when you said this: People with bad intentions exist in every aspect of life. If you explore around this forum long enough I have no doubt you will come to the conclusion that those who are truly successful--and truly happy with themselves-- are the most honest, forthright and upstanding of our members.

Welcome to the forum.

Your boy,
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Thanks for your responses, I am definitely going to introduce my friends to all this and then have some fun out with them

As for the second question, I was thinking more about the hypnotism/putting someone in a trance-like sort of state aspect of it, where you elicit a state that basically enables you to control their emotions and desires- the equivalent of a show man hypnotist making someone cluck like a chicken on all fours in front of an audience, but instead using it to make a person bypass their rational mind and become totally submissive to you. So yes, a form of mind control. Even if in the deep dark heart of you, there's a little bit that wanted to sleep with someone (or everyone, even! After all, that is just biology) surely as human beings, everyone deserves the right to use their rational, judgemental, conscious self, to make the decision? I just felt that I wasn't acting rationally, I felt extremely confused afterwards and in a daze, I felt like my will or rationale had been zapped out- it was extremely weird!

Boneless,

I had to edit out a certain section of your post because it gave clues to something that is against the rules here to discuss. What was done to you was a variation of one of the "forbidden patterns," and they are "forbidden" for good reasons.

Unfortunately, there is a "darker side" to these things, as you have already mentioned, and most people who use stuff from this "darker side" are pretty damn irresponsible with it. I apologize to you on behalf of the seduction community for that shit.