There are some PUAs Adam Lyons, Mathew Hussey, Sinn, and famously Neil Strauss who seem socially normal and all round great guys.

And then there are some people who, yes total respect for getting the girls, who seem creepy and weird. Watching some of the 21 Convention videos really highlighted this to me.

Why is this? And more importantly how to you get to be like the great guys?

Simple it all comes down to field experience. You want to be the all around cool guy then go out find the all around cool guy emulate his mannerisms, work on your body language etc. The biggest thing with cool guys that i have observed is that they are always having fun no matter where they are. Even doing the most stupidest things.

Try having fun =]

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It takes a lot of balls to dump your old life and move forward ....... it also involves a period of loneliness which i have am figuring out sucks

PU has nothing to do with it.

So they were creepy before and PU didn't help?

People regularly change their looks, language patterns, maybe even a few habits . . . but very few can ever change WHO they are. Many get into this "game" because WHO they are is a repellent of others. A monkey who learns to back flip is still a monkey.

Your social life and your pick-up life has almost no correlation. A well experienced PUA can get chicks even if he goes solo in a bar/club. Making real, life-long friends, who would be there for you when you need them, is an entirely different thing. Pick-up is a game more than anything else...

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There's only one way under high heaven to make anybody do anything... Yes, just one way. That is, by making the other person wanna do it!

Interesting, thanks for the responses.

I kind of seeing being good with women as one part of a sucessful life syle, so good to know that PU will not automatically work on the other elements of my life (which I'm broadly happy with).

I completely disagree. Pick-up can be what you make it. If you choose the lifestyle, then mixing your personal (social) life with your pick-up life seems obvious. What do you want, to live a double life? Fuck no, that would be stressful. Also, since my admittance into the community, I've found that a lot of my friends are pick-up artists who I socialize with on a regular basis. Also, if your not willing to make life-long friends in a bar, then you wont. I personally know quite a few couples who met in a bar and have been married for years. If you set yourself up with a limiting belief structure and give your self boundaries, then you'll only reap the outcome of your construct.

Now, to address Redrooster's question:

Pick-up doesn't change the man, the man changes himself and pick-up becomes natural. People who are creepy and focus on the tricks and gimmicks of pick-up rather than focusing on transforming themselves into great men who live lives that women want to be a part of, will remain creepy.

When dealing with the laws of universal attraction, inner game is extremely important. Having a well balanced state and dealing with issues that hinder your own ability to be happy can get in the way of pick-up. Ensuring yourself in these three areas can help immensely:

Health: Work out, eat well, be healthy. These things contribute to your mental health as well. If you work out, your less insecure about your body and your more confident in your physical being.
Wealth: You don't need to be wealthy per-say, but to handle your finances based on your means is an attractive quality in itself and it will reflect positively in your life.
Relationships: Not just with women, but with your parents, your friends, your co-workers, etc.

Human beings and our interactions are extremely complex. Pick-up simply allows for men who fall short in certain areas to develop those areas and make them stronger. It doesn't change who you are. It can however make you look at yourself and make you want to push yourself in new directions. Inevitably though, you are still responsible for you!

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I see it as very creepy.. I don't like the canned stuff and natural game is far better. Even if you're new to it, go for the natural stuff. Asking a girl a question IMO is poor and is looking for trouble. It might be because I'm from the UK but we just don't do things like that.

I prefer just being polite and open as an opener, seems a no brainer to me.

Obviously when you have her chatting then its time to play the 'game'

Because the majority are learning how to be someone that excels at getting into women's pants by doing and saying things they normally wouldn't do.

How is that not creepy?

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21 Convention? whats that all about mate.