I never tried to pickup women during the day. It's usually at a bar or club after alcohol has loosened me up a little. Even then it was rare. I read the game a couple of weeks ago and have been trying to implement different tactics. Well, I live in Los Angeles and decide to go to a posh mall (The Grove) and try to talk to a few women.

I'm in Coffee Bean and see this SHB10. Unreal, tall (6'-1" with heels, I'm 6'-0" with shoes) and just smoking. I'm in line 2 people behind her and I get my tea and wait outside. I see her leave and forced myself to talk to her. See below:

me: run up past her and turn around and face her on her 5 o’clock and say "hey, hi, I know this is unusual, I know this it out of the ordinary, and I'm running behind, but I saw you in the coffee shop and had to come say hi.....if I didn’t I would regret it" not that smooth, but not too bad.. A little smile from her. I want to say "where ya off to" but my AFC came in and I said "I'm Jeff" and held out my hand.

SHB10: "I'm Whitney"

me: "nice to meet you Whitney...where ya off to"

SHB10: "I'm going to meet someone.."

me: "to meet a shopping buddy? going shopping?" ...now I'm stating to get nervous as I'm so focused on her and am freezing up verbally...

SHB10: "meeting someone for work"

me: "work? Whatdaya do?"

SHB10: "I have a meeting with my supervisor"

me: smiling "usually when someone asks what you do, it means what actually do you do for work"....smile a small laugh from her

SHB10: "I'm a model"

me: "model, how do you like it?"

SHB10: "it's nice"

me: pulling out my phone, hands visibly shaken "You're going to be known as, Whitney the model" tea in the other hand also shaking...

SHB10: "I don't give out my number to strangers"

me: smiling "Come on, we're not strangers, we been taking awhile now..."

SHB10: "no, I'm sorry"

me: "alright, nice to meet you Whitney" and walk off C&B’d

I'm a pretty confident guy. I do presentations to high level exec in major companies like Coke, Pepsi. Last time I felt like that was when I did my 1st presentation for a major company (8 years ago). I can’t believe I was physically shaking.

I welcome feedback, but here's where I see my learings:

1. Since she was a SHB10, I should have neg'd her fast. Something like, aren’t you a little tall to be a model?"
2. I asked pretty standard questions, I probably needed a Gambit, game, or opinion to get her talking and laughing"
3. When she smiled and laughed at my work comment, I should have gave her the "Ya know, everyone probably judges you by your looks, but after that smile and laugh, I bet there's a lot more to you underneath"
4. Body language: I was directly facing her. I should positioned my body at roughly 45 degrees and talked to her over my shoulder.
5. Practice to get rid of the shakes. Even if I said everything right, the shakes gave me away...shakes = putting her on a pedestal. Maybe practice on HB7 or HB8 to build confidence?

Anyway, I had so much anxiety after that, I couldn't continue for today as women would sense it... It helps a lot writing about it.

I'm still happy I did it, tomorrow is a new day. Maybe head down to the Hermosa Pier….

Comments and feedback more than welcome.

well done dude, you bit the bullet and made the approach, thats awesome. That will be the hardest one because now you know thats all that'll happen, nothing scary or some 7ft linebacker bf to jump on you for hitting on his girl.

yeh you've mentioned a few more factors regarding building attraction before going for her number. I find it best to get a rapport convo going and halfway through bail on it completely such as:

(rapport convo)

** just before she agrees with a comment of mine or goes to say something**

me: oh shit, is that the time, im sorry but i really need to go , PUT your number in my phone and we'll pick it up when I have a minute

(I don't mean shout 'put' at her but I mean, don't ask. just act as though that she's said yes)

*hold my phone out facing her at the centre of her chest*

that way she will take the phone because its the natural thing to do and secondly its an awkward place for it to be so will encourage her to take it

then usually, get her number...with nickname like you mentioned (whitney model etc..) then kiss her cheek and walk off with the goods


but again dude, awesome

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Good job with the approaching!
Few tips for the future to try:
1. According to mystery a HB10 usually requires 3-4 negs. Why? Because this makes her valuate her self again and to proof to you that she aint what you told her to be. She has an image and she wants to hold on to it. Even if she has to prove it to you. We call this flirting.
2. Try to make her answer with a whole sentences. Not just with one word like asking " well do you like it? " yes/ no " Maybe next time you can try a short opinion opener. You dont have to open her with opinion but you can run a opinion in the middle of the conversation. When you ask her opinion about something, its easy for you to develop negs/ hooks from there because now you have more material what to use.
3. Remeber kino. When you use kino in the day time try " first class accidental kino " which includes like high fives, hand shakes, brushing her sholder when you make your point and etc. Just remember to keep it short. You can for example throw high fives about agreeing what she says or not agreeing with her ( something like this: ALL RIGHt, good tips! high five! OR Really? that sounds pretty hard core advice. It seems that you aint such a good girl after all! But thanks for the advice--> High fives.
Remember also handshake os something like that when you introduce your self. Maybe not in the beginning but in some point when you do.

[ Johnny B ]

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that was a terrible approach and terrible conversation with the babe. I'm surprised you would say all that to her if you just read The Game.
read this thread summarizing how The Game tells you to pick up women, and try to put this into action instead of acting 100% AFC: -the-game-condensed-down-to-a-couple-of ... 54595.html

Also, you seem to fundamentally misunderstand what a "neg" is. Negs are not insults. Negs are demonstrations that you are not sexually interested in her. So, it would be pointless to neg her after opening with the opening line that you did, because it translates to "i think you're hot and wanted to talk to you". Negging after that would just make you come off as rude, not as disinterested.

Its his first time mate. Cut him some slack.

That was an AWESOME post. Regardless of the results, you went up to a girl who nobody in that cafe had the balls to approach and then after feeling that it wasn't even going well, you had the balls to ask her for her number. This is just an all out ballsy assault. No worries . . . various techniques will come to you quickly. For now, I'd say that you just skipped a few levels in our "little game".

In regards to "models" specifically, I think that they need to be more "ignored" rather than "negged". Regardless of what you say to them, they know that they are the center of attention. They ALWAYS get attention. Some will call them bitches or ditzes. Other will call them beautiful and drool over them. Either way . . . this is what they are used to.

So instead of focusing on her,(what she does, where she's going, or even how others judge her or what she has on the "inside" etc . . .) bring up a topic that makes her the "observer" instead of the center of attention. For some reason, this seems to confuse the shit out of them and working to restore her idea of "equilibrium" which is her on a pedestal while everybody else observes her.

Great advice guys, I know mostly what I did wrong and know it won't go the way I think next time, but will keep trying and learning...

Good job getting out there an approaching. Even though you obviously did get blown out, you still went for it, and after you do it enough you won't be shaking or feel nervous but will be calm and confident.

If you want to do direct game then go for it, but I would honestly recommend, as you're learning and building confidence, to start out with situational, opinion, or "functional" openers (e.g. asking for directions, where a cool clothing store or coffee shop is, etc). That way you don't force her to basically make a decision immediately about whether she's gonna sleep with you or not.

Once you open, you need to move somewhere quickly. Get her laughing about something, it doesn't matter what, something you saw on TV last night, something that just happened to you on your way to work, etc. Get some rapport going. If you ask too many questions you are still in "stranger and stranger" frame, rather than "friend and friend" frame. Assume rapport - talk to her as if she's a friend, and her mind will assume you are one.

Once you have some rapport going, break rapport (e.g. with a neg). Remember, a neg is not an insult. It's a backhanded compliment designed to knock her off guard and make her question herself, and get her to start qualifying herself to you. Like, "oh I just noticed your shoes there...very intense colour...reminds me of something my little niece would wear..they're cute." Now, even though it's kind of a compliment, it's also being said from your assumed position of higher value, and it's also subtly saying "you have a child's taste in fashion accessories."

Once she starts trying to build that rapport up again (e.g. by qualifying), you're starting to build attraction. Once you have that, you are free to escalate in the knowledge that you are leading the interaction towards comfort and seduction. If either of you need to leave and this point, just say "well it was fun meeting you, let's continue this another time," and THEN get the phone out. You see, unless you've hooked her in some way, if you just pull your phone out that's a HUGE IOI out of nowhere. Notice her reaction when you did it. It only makes sense to get her number if you're already having a fun interaction that she'll actually want to continue.

Finally, and I don't want to repeat what others have said, but you do need to start kino as soon as possible and escalate it throughout the interaction. Every time you get an IOI, a laugh, any kind of compliance, reward her by escalating kino. The best way to introduce kino is when you are EMPHASISING the punchline of a joke or the end of a story. "And he said THAT!" (hold her shoulder on the word THAT). Remember to NEVER look where you kino, and always break kino before she breaks it, i.e hold that shoulder for a few seconds, then when you change subject, release and continue on, maybe turning your body language closer towards her.

Wow, an answer about a day approach turned into quite a long post...hope this helps!

yo dude, firstly, well done!

yer i had the shakey hand thing when i would give my fone to a girl. I do think the only way to overcome this is to keep approaching until you just get farmiliarised with it. Thats probably why you used to shake when you were doing your first presentations but after a few you became farmilliar it and i bet the shakes went away.

That is horribly and unneccessarily harsh.

This is the guy's first time. Just approaching is a *MAJOR* victory. The result is almost immaterial this time-no one so far as I know picks up "The Game" and starts scoring with HB10's straight off.
I know from experience you tend to turn into an AFC when you approach first time.

The shaky hand thing I had to-it is a good idea just to keep your hands in your pockets as much as possible. The shakiness goes naturally with experience.
The standard response if she says she is a model is to say "a hand model" (or give the standard response some personal spin eg act surprised like you almost don't believe her).

Obviously, it isn't good to ever show too much interest. You shouldn't really give the girl a chance to blow you off, as another poster said just act like she is interested-amazing how often that becomes a self-fufilling prophecy.

But all the fine touches take time, and it can take years to develop really strong inner game. Congratulations to the OP on approaching.

Thanks again guys, all good feedback. I nunber-closed a hb7 last night so not too bad of a salvage... Will keep trying and will keep above info in mind...

It's your first time sarging and you jump right into it, that takes balls you should concider this a huge victory. All i can say is keep up the good work, that was awesome.

Yeah, great attitide. Keep at it and you'll Improve 10 times. Great first day time approach.

Oh, I think the best comment to 'I'm a model' that I heard was from Mystery: "Like what? A hand model?". But yeah ignoring that comment is also a good thing.

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I can relate to you having just read "The Game" myself. Going for a HB10 so fast shows major balls. You've got more than me at the moment. Keep it up and I bet you will do well.

Like you even though the game is fresh in my mind most of what I've been studying goes straight out of my head once I've approached. Basic Rookie mistake.

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Well done! You just approached her and did it, bravo!


My view on you not getting her number:
You didnt get into her comfort zone, you were being general at all points, nothing she didn't hear before. It was all real general, you should have indeed negged her with like What a model your joking right, let me see your nails!

You were too much of the general John Doe nice guy, plain vanilla.

Like pepsi once had in a advertisement: "Spice up your life " and nike: "Just do it!"

You nailed it by just doing it, practice upon what you preach and you'll become golden.

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