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I take it you never been to Orange County?

Why? Whats the deal with orange county?

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Both girls and guys judge each other on looks base upon superficial merits all the time here. And NO ONE has a problem with it at all.

I like to be a step ahead of the world and take the higher hand. I would not do anything like that, under any circumstance! Maybe once i did, but now I've grown far past this stage.

Thats me, my views, everyone is a free human being at the end of the day and can think however they want.

I would also note that, I would expect the woman im with not no resort to this type of behavior either.

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Impact, while your opinion that people should view eachother on a "deep" level rather than a "superficial" level is considered by many to be the "right thing to do", it is fundamentally flawed.
Humans would be a whole lot different if everyone worked like this. Sex is basically there for reproduction. People are attractive based on how likely they are to survive and how healthy their offspring are likely to be.
The best example of this is the hourglass figure. If one woman has the wide hips to waist ratio and larger breasts, they will be far more attractive to the majority of men than a women with a better personality (obviously not to the extreme). This is simply down to the factor that the woman with the hourglass figure is far more likely to survive childbirth and be able to look after the children.
While modern day medicine and lifestyle means the majority of women do survive childbirth, humans have not evolved to pick a mate from this new environment and still use the same gauge of attractive as cave men did (for the most part).

There are other examples, but its off the topic of this thread. PM me if you wish to know more.

As for the HB rating system, there are defiantly flaw's in it. However, because popular PUA material uses it there are always going to be people on the forum and in the community that use it as well. Trying to change this system is like trying to get people to use metric instead of imperial, they just don't want to change what they are used to (even if it is better).

The biggest problem with the HB rating system is ego always plays a part in it. Personally, on looks alone I don't think any non-photo shopped woman is more than an 8, the last 2 points come from how they hold themselves and act and the way they style themselves. Other people would disagree with me, this makes it subjective and therefore there is no way to compare.

I still don't feel that not being able to compare is the biggest issue with the HB rating system, the biggest problem in my opinion comes in how it stops people approaching.

If a guy is out with a few friends, and notices a woman he finds attractive but his friends think is only a 6-7 he may not approach. This is where social acceptance comes into play. The big problem with this is that a guy who will only approach women who the majority view as being above say an 8 is that he is only trying to pick up woman for external validation, rather than picking them up because he is attracted to them (although its not that black and white). This stops the guy being 100% into the pick up and therefore is not likely to end well.

I think the word you wanted was naturally flawed, to make your point correct!

Alright... here is my take on it, and I don't really want to get into a debate because I'm generally pressed for time, majority of the time, I'm busy as fuck!

But here, ill give you my 2 cents, and you can see it my way if you'd like or... stick to your way. At the end of the day its our different schools of thought that bring out knowledge, colors, and different results... or maybe in the end we are even led to the same results.

I was watching Steven Segal, the actor! He is one of those really tranquil spiritually enlightened people who can see everything... he simply understands, and he came to that path(and understanding) through Buddhism. You could do the same through another religion, or through another school of taught! So although the answer you just gave me may be right, its a answer thats mainly right, for you (makes sense?).

I'm a optimist, although I love giving tough love to people, at the end of the day I want to see the best in everyone, hence I simply can't hold onto the value system you described. Its inaccurate to my nature!

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I don't believe that evolution is the answer to absolutely everything, and that we are helpless somewhere in the middle to prevent change. I don't believe that, I've proven it many times to myself and to others. There for, I don't see the necessity to take up such straight cut, brutal beliefs.

I don't believe what mystery said about approach anxiety, in regards to it being derived from hundreds of years of evolution, i think thats the biggest load of shit. I don't have approach anxiety at all! I also cant fathom how people buy into this shit, or buy into the implications so much so that they believe it! (ie, that we are actually attracted to looks). Let me tell you, us men are not not attracted to looks! we think we are, we believe we should be, but we are really not...

We have preference sure, but all our preferences are different. We find common denominators of attraction, but as ill explain later it actually comes from another place.

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If humanity had evolved the way you describe, then we would have the best genes. WIth that in mind our life expectancy would be prolonged to 200 years of age or more. Everyone who was less then perfect would be cut down from existence, and we would be the next Adam and Eves (like in James Bond... where they picked the best individuals to procreate and discarded the rest). Fortunately the real world dosn't work like that.

Everything however, is based on hardcore social influence. From birth we are exposed to advertisement and education through the television set... we are told whats right and whats wrong before we can even pick our nose and chew on our nails!!

Almost anything you say is based on lines and routines, a way to modify your worldly matrix (yes we are in the matrix, the cancer we created ourselves).

I think the human nature is all about exploration and education, almost at any means! whether it means to kill something and understand the nature of death or to create something and understand its nature of life. Its true that if you put a group of people together, then the "strongest" most vocal will almost always take charge! but then you also have instances of Davids coming through and killing Goliaths (messing up the "natural" system).

Therefor I cant buy into your understanding of reality. Its a antiquated, squared view that lacks the potential that we carry as people to become something greater then ourselves! By outgrowing our infancy, through the embodiment of active responsibility.

*shrugs shoulders* what can I say mate, your wrong! ;o)

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Attraction is based on energy, a exchange of energy between one entity and another. It has nothing to do with hips, waste, size of breasts, thats all garbage that we as a society have been bombarded to fuck by, through our media.

In order to initiate that exchange of energy we have to actively communicate through our body, spirit, mind, heart, and soul in order to get our correct feelings and messages encapsulated and transferred over for the other person to understand and feel.

If that energy is there and the message is sent across, you will want to fuck, its as simple as that.

Therefor with this understanding we have lesbian women who go up to straight girls, and over a matter of hours flip their sex on them.

This goes very much in debth... I don't have too much time...

Now to women the term hot means something totally different then it does to men. When they say hot they are talking about the emotional connection, thats why women will sleep with anyone, because they are receivers, while we are senders. The roles can be switched in bizarre instances, and like i described above, thats the scenario.

Our natural impulses are not really natural at all, you learned to walk, you couldn't walk when you were born, you couldn't talk when you were born, you were this thing, that absorbs any and all information, and your mind at that point developed the mental pathways to fall into a certain way of thinking, presented by everything in your surroundings.

Its not evolution, nor is it developed over thousands of years, its something that we develop since birth.

We are unlike animals, like a deer who is born and has to get up and run, as human babies are fairly useless well into adult hood .

All I'm saying with this is that sexual evolution is not based on evolution in general. I'm not saying evolution is wrong, nor am i saying that it doesn't exist. I'm saying our sexual evolution is something we develop through society, and then after the understanding is gained, we integrate it into ourselves in order to interact with others.

I watched a documentary once on russian girl who BELIEVED she was a dogv! Her parents abandoned her during a very early age, and she walked around and barked to dogs, because they were the only once around (almost like tarzan). Id recommend watching this doco, and figuring out wtf is going on... its very bizarre! How then would you account the human factor in this scenario?

it gets confusing, and unpleasing detailed, so ill end it here !

Point being its not so cut throat as youd like to believe. We do have brainwashing in our society, it starts from a very young age and it works. We can take people and program them to be animals or objects, and i believe human beings are no greater then their active programming. It has nothing to do with evolution.

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Again im very pressed for time.. i have about 5 min so i have to wrap this up, i may be missing points, I dont have time to proof read this, but here we go, 5 min rape typing haha!

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The HB system is the most flawed system ever invented, designed by men to make them feel better about themselves.

The reason we rate is because we are shallow pieces of shit, and want to under rate a human being in order to feel better about our existence.

Thats true, you wouldn't be rating women if you had million of them coming your way.

Now we have personal preferences again greatly influenced by our personal and life experiences. Not every man is attracted to the same woman. I'm sure there are plenty of women you will point out and say "IMPACT LOOK" ill be like... ugh.. yuk!

what do you call that? evolution?...no!

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As men, yes, we value looks. If i had to put media and everything aside, toys, from early child hood programming which is innocently raped up our ass through barney the dinosaur, who kindly programs us to love the world....

If i had to find one thing... hmmm id say its synchronization!

What that basically means is... imagine 3 people coming in one room. They saw the same event, one of them says, i saw a blue cloud, the other says.. no it was red, the third says, no man it was in between its green, all 3 say.. yeh.. okay.. that sounds fair its green...

You go out early in your preschool or kindergarden or whenever u lookt at women, and you say, i like Anya... and the boys say EWWWWWWWW Anya is fat! the other says SHE HAS BUGGERS (for whatever reasons, they may say it because they want the girl)... and your suddenly questioning your reality saying... woah.. shes fat.. and has buggers.. fuck! so who do i like? what is right to like? What do i look for? whats the crowd going with? or you take initiative and u set the standards and create the world where people will live in, through your imagination. With enough influence at your side, your reality will reign supreme! and people will adjust themselves to feel almost anything!

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Times up, hope this can give you my insight.

Again, everyone is welcome to think feel, whatever they want, we all bring different schools of thought. No one is right or wrong, your all welcome, and thank you for reading this hardcore unedited, super rushed post.

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Rite guys can i just say thanks this thread has helped alot with what i though about the HB Rating Scale.

In refrence to the quote above the rating scale at present starts at 6 and goes to ten. This is because there is no need to be derogatory about women and reat them a 5 or below. (This is outlined in The Game)

Madals You are indeed correct about the waist to hip ratio and attraction, however its nor cross cultural. In many cultures bigger women are found more attractive where as in our culture healthy sized women are forund more attractive. On a side point i do feel that the western world is being classicly conditioned into liking skinnyer women.

Johnny B As im coming to expect from you your Binery system is gold! I Definately agree that it is a far more efficiant way to rate.

Impact Im sorry ive not had time to reply to your post but ill try and find more time to go on tomorrow and read the whole of your last post.

Thanks alot to all who posted so far but feel free to keep the disscussion going.

Regards, Saint

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