This mail is both a rant and a question for those in the game who put in effort and make shit happen!

I have a wing, he is solid and his effort is second to non. The guys commitment sometimes even makes me a little intimidated.

But apart from that, i meet people, i give my all to help and they are ethier passive aggressive or they really just aren't commited.
Is this most people's expereince. Am almost dispondent right now, we where out with a guy the other week and he was so scared of opening he ran away. LITERALLY!
Just ran.
Thats not good.
I am a leader and a teacher and i offer my help right away, often giving these guys my sets, pushing them and helping them, yet they don't seem to appriciate it...
Should i be more selfish?

Thanks for you help..
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Some people don't want it badly enough.

Excuse doesn't have an 'a' in it.

And yeah, some people need to come to a realisation they need to change before they'll be willing to put in the effort. Also, you have to work up from 0. Maybe instead of pushing your friend with AA straight into a 2-set of HB10s in a crowded club, take him out on some day game and just casually approach some HB5-6s, and get him to work his way up from there.

Well thanks for the spelling lesson.
Next time assume there is a reason for the spelling mistake....

Yer man thats exactly what i did, took him out on day game. relaxed and chilled.
Seems people will come up with any excuse!

Are these people asking you for help, or are you offering it?
If you offer help, people will often take it to be polite, but don't really have much motivation to change. If however, they are coming to you for help, give them one chance to either listen or tell them you wont help them because they are lacking motivation.

ok, i am offering so i do get the psychological difference.

But i am only being a nice guy, i guess the whole nice guy things sometimes isn't all that...
Jesus i live and learn

Ye same type of thing happend to me the other night. I was out with my friend in a bar, and hes was acting like a typical AFC ( staring at girls, bottle of beer right upto his chest, etc etc).
He kept saying all night that he wanted to meet some girls and that, so i was like ok il open first. Went over to a four set 3 dudes 1 girl, opend with dogs or cats to the group, negd the girl and ended with a # close.
When my friend saw how Id done it he was in shock.

Next bar i tell him its his turn. Theres a two set just behind us so i suggest he opens them. But he completely freaked and said " I cnt, its not me". so i spent 5 mins persuading him that theres nothing to it and whats the worst that could happen but he still wouldnt approach.

After this 5 mins of trying to persuade his target acctually opens to him and he just walked away from her, which she represents as being arrogant and gives him a mouthfull.

The reason behind this story is that I want him to be my wing because he could have a lot of potential and hes a good friend of mine. How would i go about teaching him to get over his AA...



thanks!

Exactly. And this is because they do not BELIEVE they have the ability to change. Its like anything in life....poor people are not poor because they dont put in the effort, they are poor because they simply do not believe they have the potential to become wealthy. Speak to a few of them and get their views as an experiment, its very interesting....according to them you need to be LUCKY or CLEVER to be wealthy, or alternatively born into a wealthy family. This is the same as your friends mindset with women, they think you need to be BORN with game or be good looking to be good with women (most men think this dont they, i did too...until my beliefs were changed).

Its not about being lazy, its about belief which is your ultimate motivation. If your friends really believed that the stuff you taught them could get them laid twice a week, they would get up off there f*ckin ass's and put the effort in wouldnt they....but they simply dont! Belief is not there, so it doesnt make sense for them to even try, they feel they are wasting their time. It's like reading a book on how to become Spiderman when you dont believe its possible to become spiderman. Are you going to enjoy that book, or even start reading it in the first place? Doubt it. (ps. if you come across this book please let me know, I'd love to give it a read)

From now on with my friends I normally just recommend a good PU book like 'the attraction code' as it gives a comprehensive picture of the what seduction is all about, and if they cannot even take a few hours of their time to read that book, then they will not receive anything more from me in future.

I'm not a religious individual....but something my father told me that has stuck to this day....'God helps those who help themselves'...replace 'God' with 'universe' or what ever you believe in. It sums it up nicely though.

thanks guys...
you have helped me ..alot..
good luck!

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that advice is noooooo good

broz,just give him time and he will eventually come around aye! keep going out, thats the shitz

people dont automatically come around. my friends party with me every weekend and they havent 'come around' at all. they dont believe in themselves (yet), regardless of what i tell them. they will not even read a book that i recommend which MAY just change their views/beliefs. but until they pick up the book and invest some time, I have no sympathy for them.