When talking to girls I'm fine for the first 30 seconds, until my body goes all "Oh shit, you're actually doing this!!", and sends out a massive beacon to the women in the form of my face going beet-red. It's really obvious and the women can tell, with is a massive DLV. It's like I'm embarrassed or more likely, nervous to be doing it, even if I consciously want to be doing it and am fine with it.

Anyone else get this? Any solutions (obviously being hard to change my actual body structure/function, lol)?

Practice. Open so many sets that it's as natural at talking to a friend. You don't get nervous talking to your friends do you? Well a stranger is just a friend you haven't met yet!

Yes I do. It's THAT bad!!

See, the thing is, i'm usually very quiet, so when I do open my mouth it's like Silent Bob talking in Clerks. There's a lot of pressure there, so what I say has to be important otherwise i'll be ignored.

I do find though that once i'm on a positive-conversation roll I can talk to people more. If someone makes fun of me, calls me out or rejects me I go back into my shell and that's it for the rest of the day.

You need to work on your inner game then. Don't put pressure on yourself like this. Just because you haven't said anything in a conversation in a while doesn't mean that when you do finally talk, it has to be something Socrates would be proud of!

If you're worried about talking to your friends, then why not go practice on complete strangers! They'll probably never see you again, so who cares what they think! If you say something silly, who cares! What are they gonna do, knife you for bombing a joke?

If somebody does call you out for a bad joke, or insults you, you have to just let it go. For example, YOU'RE A FUCKING PRICK.

There, I just insulted you. Do you actually care what I think? Probably not. I don't know you, I've never met you, you're probably a really nice guy. Why should you care what some guy says on an internet forum? If somebody does that in real life, again, what difference does it make? Are they gonna physically attack you? Are you gonna die? No. Try and build a strong frame by having in your mind the fact that you are a likable, good, friendly person. People just need to get to know you better. If they want to judge you and insult you, it's their loss.

But to get people to really know you, you have to GET OUT THERE and start MEETING PEOPLE!

As a final note, if you're getting insulted by your friends a lot and it's hurting your self esteem, maybe it's time to find more fun, positive friends!

Cheers, but that last bit, I absolutely hate hearing that as advice. my mum always says "get some friends!!". It's not that easy. Once you have your social groups it's hard to change, because other people see you with others and they judge. It's hard to talk to someone, let alone transition to forming a bond that would continue. It's like pickup, but for dudes instead. Which is hard due to the 'gay' connotation.

Nobody said it was easy!

If it were easy, then everybody would be a super confident, magnetic individual with tons of friends, having great sex every night, have no emotional problems, and be ultra successful and rich.

Change is hard. It's hard to break out of the same rut, the same friends, the same boring job, the same AFC mentality towards women. But break out of it you must. Because only an idiot expects to try the same thing over and over and get different results!

The great thing is, once you start to increase your confidence around women, you also increase your confidence around men too! Men see your confidence around women, and they are drawn to you - "hey how come all the girls are laughing at HIS jokes...what's he got? Is he famous or rich or really fun or something...I wanna know more about this guy!"

Since friendship is about reciprocity, if you offer value to a guy you just met, then he will want to offer value back to you. After a short enough exchange, you can make a new friend just by saying "hey man it was cool meeting you - we should get a beer sometime and talk more about *whatever it was you were talking about*" or "yeah man you should totally come round sometime, smoke a joint and listen to that album I was telling you about" or something! Get his number and call him up. It doesn't have to be gay, that's how new people make friends!

This also underlines the important point that, when you go out sarging, don't focus exclusively on women. There are cool guys out there you can make friends with you will have hot female friends, or be promoters at big clubs, or whatever, who will be able to give you value and increase your social life. If you spread yourself around the club or bar and talk to everyone, you're doing more than just "sarging", you're creating an active, rich social life for yourself. And with that, PU becomes a whole lot easier.

blondguy is totally right here my friend, inner game for you should be a high priority in fact inner game should really be anyone's first step in the PUA world, without it you'll never truly be the best you can at gaming women and ultimately building/improving your life

the most important thing to keep in mind is to RELAX! just relax these are girls your talking to are not monsters who're going to tear your head off if you deliver a line wrong they're human beings my man just like you and me remember YOU are the prize YOU are the one who has the value here YOU are the man

also, just googling some relaxation exercises can help to calm the nerves and get into a good frame of mind you want to be calm yet have enough energy and fun in your delivery that you come off as a positive and interesting person that would compliment these girl's social lives

all the technicals of memorizing lines, routines, having funny stories will come as you practice more and more but you've at least made the big first step which is actually gathering up enough confidence to open a set that is a good thing many people don't even get that far

the glass is half full my man, practice, practice and practice being social and friends will surely come with that

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Every situation that you find yourself getting too nervous remember what you're doing and try to expose yourself to that situation as much as possible. For example if it happens when you are talkin to hotties then keep doing it until it goes away. And I promise it will go away, I had it really really bad when I was younger now i hardly ever have it happen.

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i get a sweaty forehead ffs, so i kind of know what your going through. e.g. i started to talk to a shop assistant the other day but started sweating like fuck so just got out of there. i think mine is an AA/self esteem problem and ive started using really strong anti persprient on my head so im hoping this will work for me.

one thing that could help you is getting a tan, it would make the blushing less noticable, fair enough it doesnt solve the root of the problem but imo it would probably stop when you realize people arent noticing it.

instead of looking for new friends why dont you join a gym, start a sport or get involved in some interest with other people. this would not only increase your social circle but also improve your social skills.

hope this helps mate and best of luck.