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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:56 am 
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I went out tonight with a wingmen and opened EVERY set there. My glasses were being taken by girls, my buddy's furry hat. Idk it seemed to go well but NONE of the sets stuck. The openers were usually good, some girls were just weirded out, but nothing stuck.

Help me out guys because I'm feeling down


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:28 am 
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I went out tonight with a wingmen and opened EVERY set there. My glasses were being taken by girls, my buddy's furry hat. Idk it seemed to go well but NONE of the sets stuck. The openers were usually good, some girls were just weirded out, but nothing stuck.

Help me out guys because I'm feeling down
Well, a lot of guys like to say they've opened a lot of sets.

In fact, you've just annoyed all those sets, gained no value, etc.

What you want to do is look back and see why they didn't stick.

Did you add any value to the conversation? Were you leading it? Were you the alpha-male or another by-stander?

I'm not trying to bash on you, I'm simply saying what Adam Lyons also agrees on.

Do not go open sets if you're not going to close them.

Open 1 set and close it and get laid that night - success.

Open literally 100s of sets and never get laid - fail.

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I went out tonight with a wingmen and opened EVERY set there. My glasses were being taken by girls, my buddy's furry hat. Idk it seemed to go well but NONE of the sets stuck. The openers were usually good, some girls were just weirded out, but nothing stuck.

I think you guys lack massive presence.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:52 am 
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I went out tonight with a wingmen and opened EVERY set there. My glasses were being taken by girls, my buddy's furry hat. Idk it seemed to go well but NONE of the sets stuck. The openers were usually good, some girls were just weirded out, but nothing stuck.

Help me out guys because I'm feeling down
First off, it's good you had the energy and confidence to open lots of sets. That's a good start. However, look at what you just wrote "my glasses were TAKEN by girls". To me that looks like you're not being nearly alpha-dominant enough. You should be giving the glasses/hat to girls as a lock in prop so you can re-engage the set later. If they're taking shit off of you then they know they can walk all over you and disrespect you and you'll take it. Rather than you asserting your higher value over THEM, they're asserting their higher value over YOU. Other sets will notice this and that'll make it harder to actually hook them because you're going into the next set with a lowered value.

If you like the idea of opening lots of sets in a night, then try what Adam Lyons does. He opens multiple sets on his way into the place just asking functional openers like "do you guys know where the toilets are?" "is this the only bar or is there an upstairs?" "is this DJ X playing now?" etc. Just get the answer, introduce yourself quickly, and eject. If you do that with lots of sets initially, then when you approach those 2 HB10s, suddenly everyone in the club is looking at you, and you've RAISED your value before entering the set "who IS this guy who everyone in the place knows?" Also you can then re-engage those sets you initially opened and they will be "warm" rather than "cold" approaches because they already know and recognise you.

Finally, just remember some of the basics. I got blown out of a couple of sets early on last night and I was like "fuck man that was supposed to be an easy practice set to get me going...wtf" until I realised I'd forgotten to use a false time constraint...duh! If you don't say "I need to get back to my friends" or something early on, then even if things are going seemingly well, they're always thinking "when is this guy gonna piss off" in the back of their minds the whole time. Similarly, sometimes you're so eager to get in and open a set you forget that you're supposed to be casually opening over the shoulder, with body language facing away from the set first, and then locking in when you hook. If you go in there with some crazy opener and are all fun and games, but all your energy is pointed directly into the set from the first word, it's like "WOW man, back the fuck up a second"...rather than "haha yeah that is pretty funny...tell me more ;-) "


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I had the night to think and I was in the totally wrong mindset. Usually I have a blast going out and I'm social and all but last night I focused JUST on pickup. And yea, they were cold pick ups.

How do I warm up a set before entering?

Plus I agree about not enough presence, it was obvious I didn't have enough value. How do I raise my value?


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I had the night to think and I was in the totally wrong mindset. Usually I have a blast going out and I'm social and all but last night I focused JUST on pickup. And yea, they were cold pick ups.

How do I warm up a set before entering?

Plus I agree about not enough presence, it was obvious I didn't have enough value. How do I raise my value?
You raise value by being around girls.

Utilize pivots.

Walk in the club with your sister if you have to.

Having 2 girls on your arms is a surefire way to gain respect - no guy can amog you or say anything, and no girl will blow you out because you're this guy with 2 girls on his arms.

Walk the rail - walk at least 20 feet with 2 girls on your arms - they can be random girls.

"hey, let's go make some friends"

And walk :)

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