Did anyone take a similar route to pick up and actually get there? Without booze. If so how long did it take?

1 set a night is pretty low. I mean, I usually need to open 3 or 4 sets before I really get going, plus you're not gonna hook a 2-set of HB9-10s unless you've already built up some social proof by already having opened some other sets, and possible merging them too. Also there's no need to abstain from alcohol *completely*. I usually have a drink or two, and usually improve with alcohol as I find my jokes flow better and I can tap into a more out-there, outrageous style of humour. Obviously by 8 or 10 I'm slurring my words and not focusing properly and that will lead to lack of calibration and general bad results...

Don't you find that you end up relying on alcohol? I mean before i drunk (2 pints a night) and got good but when it came to socialising sober i didn't have the same skills.

I don't *rely* on it. I just generally like to have a few drinks when I go out. I mean, I also run day game and I don't need to have a beer with me at noon on a monday! If you start thinking "I need to drink to sarge" then you're using a crutch. If you go out sarging totally sober you may find you'll remember more, be more on-point and calibrated, and also spend a hell of a lot less at the end of the night - try it!

Cool, cheers for the help. Has anyone else progressed the way i previously mentioned?

I never sarge drunk, I can't think straight then, I prefer not to drink at all when I sarge. A drink or two won't bother me but it is not necessary.
If I wanna drink myself really drunk I do that but I leave the girls alone

When it comes to number of sets, I just open all nite, even if I close the first one I keep going, I usually land on about 10-20 sets per night, on the weekdays I'm in college so I probably open about 3-5 sets per day there.

Thats the way to learn man, open open open!

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I dont go out to the bars more than one night a week (if that, due to work) and I dont really go "sarging" but more or less just to drink. If I meet someone great, if not, whatever.

Great input. Has anyone else progressed the way i previously mentioned?

Anyone?

same for me but i do sarge 2 hours or so ...

i got a terrible AA... really i got this fucking anxiety with sets. i often visit my friends first to warm up, they always meet up - good opportunity for me to get talkative.

if my friends aren't there : i just drink a few drinks, often i feel my AA slipping away - here's the deal

When you are warmed up and socially calibrated your AA decreases, ALWAYS WARM UP - and when i do drink i just drink enough to decrease my AA after that i do some approaches and i don't need to rely on certain substances to decrease AA anymore.

using substances to decrease your AA is actually not smart because your game is usually much better without alcohol, you also learn more things when you don't drink ( or at least cut back ). i have to admit i feel less comfortable gaming in clubs around nighttime thats why i drink .. during the day i can game whatever i want because i am more comfortable during day.

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My "game" sucks either way......then again while I'm not shy and can talk to girls, I choose not to, for the most part, because I dont believe in myself enough that they'd be sexually interested in me.

That's a fucking shitty attitude isn't it? So you make a "choice" to not talk to women because you ASSUME they aren't interested in you. How can you POSSIBLY KNOW that they're not interested in you unless you actually TALK to them? You are backwards-rationalising your AA by saying that you're making a conscious choice to not talk to women because you know they won't be interested. This is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The less you approach, the less women seem interested in you, and so you approach less because of the lack of interest, ad infinitum.

Instead, why don't you actually go into interactions ASSUMING that, if a girl gets to know you enough, she will obviously be attracted to you because you ARE a confident, intelligent, good-looking guy, and if she doesn't see that then it's HER loss.

i often think they are sexually interested in me .... but nothing more then sex ... this is often true.

most girl i've encountered looked laughing directly in my eyes or between my legs while i was standing or sitting.

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Oh.......I dont know, lets fucking see here........The last two times I've gone for numbers, they all fucking have b/fs. Secondly, most of the girls at work have b/fs so its useless there. Third, the hot one who's single.......I dont talk to her much and kind of want to get her number but kind of dont because all thats gonna cause is rumors and people talking shit and with my current fucking state of mind, I dont need that.

boo-fucking-hoo. dont give up so easy.