also stop following this shit like it is god damn gospel

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Just check out any of AFC Adam's stuff

I did.

I watched his seminar he gave to a PUA conference a few years ago. His basic point is, rather than work on routines or openers, just go in with a set with a bunch of girls, and open everyone for a few seconds with random questions like "do you know if there's another bar" or if you goto the bathroom there will be a few guys in there and you can talk to them about something like the queue was really long or whatever, just enough so that if they see you again they'll recognise you. The point is that, by the time you've done this enough, when you walk around the club, people will be looking at you and you will be able to point and nod and high five and even talk to anyone in there, because you've raised your value hugely by being the person that everyone is noticing and, seemingly, everyone knows.

Tonight I went all out. I bounced around the venue with seemingly unlimited energy, talking to everyone in sight, guy or girl, for just a minute or two, about totally random shit to do with the night, the music, anything. I generally got great responses from men, who if I'd been bothered with taking numbers would have filled my fucking phone book. Unfortunately this is not my goal.

The same fucking shit happened to me every time. I'm talking to a girl and her friend. Her friend can't fucking hear me. I talk to her, she laughs a lot, her friend drags her away and I'm left looking like a prick. I approach, ask some opinion opener, they're like, uh I dunno, I neg about not having opinions on stuff or whatever and they're just like, whatever and walk away. I get a super AFC who's buying a whole group of girls drinks to introduce me to them, I talk to two of them at a time because it's too loud to engage the whole group, they all turn and grab who I'm talking to and walk away. Same old same old.

The problem with Adam's stuff is he gives you no advice about how to actually engage people enough so that when they see you that second time, or when you actually build up enough social proof by opening enough sets to approach, you actually succeed in hooking them enough to even get to comfort, let alone break that comfort and then escalate. Maybe he can easily end up being that guy they saw before who was kinda cool, but for me I felt like I was the loser who everyone saw a whole lot but didn't give a shit about and laughed at privately to themselves when I was gone.

i've read and studied alot of "game material" started with David D, helped me alot with figuring out my inner game and congruency and helped alot with cocky comedy/banter, read "The Game" listened to mystery method audio book, pick up 101, pick up podcast, and being a martial artist and a huge fan of bruce lee i take what i think works best with me and use those things that help me when i'm talking to girls, so one "method" might not be a tight fit, so check out a lot of stuff - you will be amazed at how a few little things tried will illicit some great responses and results - I worked a lot on banter and cocky comedy for quite some time and i have a great handle on this - granted i suck at opening and storytelling / rapport building so thats where my game needs to grow. i've been doing this game stuff for a few years and i put a little bit of effort here and there and when i've used "the game" stuff its worked in little successes and big successes. get some friends or find some new ones that will be open to going out and sarging lol, i find that parties are the easiest to "open" because its like an assumed function where you have to talk and be social even more so than a club it has a more intimate feel. just my 2 cents

Atlanta pua's hit me up if you want to go sarge i'm needing to step up my game and still consider myself an AFC with experience lol

daniel

Well there's a whole sticky thread dedicated to asking him questions. Look through it and see if this comes up. If it doesn't then best bet is to type your question and ask him about it and see how he deals with it. In face I'd like to know too anyway.

The idea of a business is to make money by giving people a product or a service.

The more attractive and popular the product or service is, the better the business potential.

So like any other booming business, the people who 'offer' these pick-up products and services have found a niche in the market; you only need to look at the amount of guys that are on these kind of forums.

Unfortunately, this kind of business is somewhat of an exploitation as is targeting peoples handicaps or disfunctions or whatever you want to call it.

People will buy into it because they want it bad and the promises sound so believable at the time, but it is very unlikely that many people would actually get any success out of it, whether it's MM o RSD.

There's more to attracting women and getting laid than following some method and going out and trying to practice it, and nobody can help you if you don't have the required inborn traits.

The original posters story is a classic example of this, and it's taken me nearly 4 years to actually realise this.

The only reason these methods work is because they give people the confidence to approach women.. with confidence.

It's not like any one theory is a magic trick, its not like NLP is even something new invented in 1970. Witch Doctors in Africa were using NLP thousands of years before Richard Bandler was born. It just wasn't called NLP

Where all these techniques can be succesful is giving someone the confidence and motivation to approach someone and try something, and if they fail, to learn from it and try harder. Anyone who engages with something, and who isn't afriad of failure and learns from it, can become proficient at anything - whether it be picking up women, running a succesful business, losing weight, learning to speak chinese, and on and on and on.

It's not that any particular techinique is a goldmine, it's that it provides a framework for people to try and learn and gain confidence - and find out what works best for them.

To the OP I say - If something isn't working for you, then learn, adapt it, don't just dismiss it as a load of bullshit if others are obviously finding some benefit.

I find that anytime I'm using canned openers, it feels to unnatural, and that comes off conveying too much desperation and nervousness in my body language and tonality. Anytime I'm not using original material, I blow the set.

What me and my wings came up with is a random opener generator system. We think of the first thing that pops in our head and open with it. This week, it's tartar sauce.

Example: "Hey guys quick question, when you order fried fish, do you use tartar sauce or ketchup? Cause I hate tartar sauce and my friend loves it. I'm going to go ask this group over here, but think about it and I'll get back to you." After that I roll off to another group without giving them time to answer and do the same opener across the entire venue. When I come back to the set I already have a natural open access back in their group. The whole key to this is to be relaxed and not give a fuck about what people think.

As a side note, check out Steve Piccus and Hypnotica for help with inner game. They have some amazing shit.

Yes, it's true, that PUA and all products, books, seminars are sold as some "magical" stuff and never live up to the promises, that their marketing specialists give.
It turned tens of thousands of men into zombies with canned routines, "Keep trying" and "Work on your inner game" lines programmed into their brains.
It is obvious, that if you are ugly or broke, PUA will never help you, but it did help those, who had something about them, that hot babes fancy - either money or looks or natural charisma, but were too insecure to properly demonstrate these values to women.
So it's not complete bullshit as you claim.
Not everybody who goes into sports, becomes professional sports superstar. Only few - who have natural physical abilities. That does not mean that professional sports is bullshit just because only few make it to the top.

well my 2 cents. i am fairly good looking but i have had teeeerrrible game before i started reading up on forums and sites like this. i've been studying off and on for about 2 years. i don't use canned openers ever and i just try to be natural and happy but use some basic tenets.

1) try to keep the energy up and make the girl laugh and have fun

2) touch alot

3) be sensitive to where the energy is going. if the set is losing energy i bail and go to the next set till it feels right to go back the original.

4) i make sure to always get a number

5) keep it light/no pressure.

obviously there is alot more going on in my head but that is the basic outline. i was terrible like i said and now i am seeing about 5 girls SPAM. it is pretty swell and its getting easier. i'm getting more mature in my dealings with women and more sensitive too. sensitivity is important. girls like when you read their minds. anyhow you'll get better blondguy, just stay positive and have fun! fun is important

Agree 100%. The trouble is, the majority of guys that get into it are the one's who will never stand a chance.

Personal growth doesnt start in a new self help book, it doesnt start with one man changing your life, it doesnt start with that new pick up book.. it starts with only one person and that is you. And If you are not willing to do some work on you, physical and psychological.. than quit wasting your time and go and fuck yourself with a huge dildo right in your lazy ass.

Pardon for my words. I curse. I know. Terrible habbit.

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Part of the problem is there is no real objective testing of this stuff going on-it is all anecdotal stuff, which is always hugely biased.
The alternative medicine industry is similar - oh my cold got better coz I sprinkled leopard excrement on my toes so it must work. It is the same with PUA-any time a guy gets laid he thinks whatever he was doing did the trick. Maybe the girl was just desperate and thought "fuck it, he'll do".

A lot of PUA is common sense any one but a total retard knows. Some other PUA stuff is not known by everyone but not achieveable by everyone for obvious reasons-for example, having two girls on your arm will help you get laid but a guy with two girls on his arm probably doesn't need PUA anyway.

Some PUA stuff is total bullshit.

And, some PUA stuff may actually help you. Certainly the stuff about cutting out boring conversation, not supplicating within reason, and kino, has helped me. But it is a percentage move-a lot of time the girl just does not fancy you and it will make no difference or creep her out.

Pick up is not a magic formula that will work 100% of the time on 100% of tragets. It depends where you start from. If you have no game what so ever/are really shy/have self esteem issues or whatever problem it is you are trying to get over, pick up is there as an assistance. For example, if you are totally cluless, techniques and lines are a good starting point. If you dont know what to say to a girl full stop, someone else does so you use their stuff. It gets things going.

The ides is eventually understand enough so that you "get it" at some level and devise your own instruments to play around with.

say, before learning about pick up you are useless ugly/fat/have bad teeth(afc ugly guy) = no girls your entire life ever.

after learning pick up =1 girl its 100% improvement however you look at it.

some people just get it more than others. If you cant grasp the right mindset in pick up no one can do it for you. Just like weights some have just that little bit more of a a last push than others.

Everyone is at a different game stage when they start off, some are non-existant some have good natural game but just don't know how to utilise it properly.

Clubs too loud? try changing location, or work on day game.
Expand your social circle to avoid those noisy places, those dudes whose numbers you dont get one of them might have a b day party next week at his home could have an attractive friend/mother/siter/relative who will find you atractive. never know you could meet your new best freind.

if you cant f close try numberclosing getting some day 2 going. baby steps.

Canned material feel unnatural? It's because it is not natural.

If it wasnt spontanious coming from you it will never feel a natural. If you use canned and don't have conviviction in what you saying women will sense that and see that you are full of shit.

I'm late for my night out c ya guys

Its every guys right to get laid.


thx for reading dom

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LOL WEEKEND WARRIOR.

You have a feeble mind-set. You are one of those people who will be working at Mcdonalds or Macy's - you have no goals or ambitions.

If you see no end result, you quit. This is how most people are, and the handful of people who DON'T quit get RESULTS.

Sure, the Mystery Method is great, and I'm sure it's really all you need.

BUT, if you have NO confidence and you're BORING. Then NO method will work for you.

Try to be versatile, like Chief said - don't stick to one Method.

As much as I respect Mystery, I wouldn't reccommend ONLY his method unless you're a natural already and need to work on sticking points.

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