if natural game is all about NOT using routines, canned openers etc. would you class yourself as a natural if you have your own routine DHV stories that have occurred in your life? I think you should.

i have plenty of stories i will tell to new friends that i make..and they will tell me their's too. telling these to girls I meet is no different. so if im telling my 'routine' stories to most girls that i meet...im still natural...as these are the stories i would tell just about anyone to have good conversation.

natural game contains most of the concepts in the PU community (freeze outs, push/pull, DHVing etc etc)...the only difference is that youre using those techniques while IMPROVISING rather than spewing out canned lines from books/forums.

the bottom line? most of you have more natural game than you think...i believe people 'box' the whole natural game thing way too stringently.

Yup.

The model I went through looks like this. It's like a circle.


1. Started Pick up. Got obsessed. Took in all info. Regurgitate information. Experienced little success but was excited to find a community that works.

2. Got good with external shit. Internalized information. Started getting some success.

3. Realized how fucked up I was and this community. Started Natural Game. Zero Success and mildly depressed.

4. Started a self-actualization process. Dropped all game. Intense conquering of fears and inner demons. Hated the community. Found my true nature and self, oddly enough, it was who I was pre-community, just a backbone of experience and inner-self was sorted out. Tremendous amounts of success towards the end.

5. After grasping my true self, I am now incorporating little "pick up" things that I learned when I first started. Calibrated of course to given situation. I now own social situations. The lay is not important to me anymore.

Dunno what comes next, I'll keep you guys updated when I hit that stage.

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If your saying routines and all that dhv crap, to get laid/ get women/ have her like you/ in other words, to get something, you are being a robot and you will never have a true connection with a woman.. No matter HOW hard you try. A woman will like you for you. Why do you need to say all that crap?? Since when did MAN... Have to come up with routines and something called DHV to become good with women?

youre right you dont need to say 'all that crap'. But i think youre missing the point...DHV is simply a term created by the pick-up community to demonstrate qualities/traits which would cause a women to instinctively become attracted to you.

Cavemen used to DHV, male lions DHV when fighting for position of alpha male of the pride, same with baboons, in fact MOST animals in nature DHV in order to win over a mate. Dont get caught up in the terminology....rather focus on its underlying meaning and its place in human interaction.

I understand your point though....you dont like how systematic the community has made these techniques with all sorts of fancy acronyms etc...and I agree. however one cannot deny that these techniques naturally occur and play an integral part in human reproduction. these techniques have always existed...the PUA community just turned it into a 'study'.

When you spent an extra 5 minutes in the mirror to look good for the girl you took out the other night? you were DHVing. Your value went up in her books because you looked good when you picked her up for dinner. In the same way when you pulled her chair out for her to sit down at dinner...you were demonstrating that you are caring/protecting...once again...more value in her eyes.

This is only human.

Yes, you can use routines, gimmicks and anything else in natural game

IF

those things are natural to YOU. There are too many Natural-Game Nazi's out there who berate anything that doesn't come off unrehearsed.

I'm actually a huge fan of games, routines, contests with girls, magic tricks and other gimmicks if....and only if....you're having FUN with it.

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Naturals don't really tell DHV stories. Naturals tell stories to amuse them selves. High value guys don't tell DHV stories because they know their high value. Only low value people feel as though they need to demonstrate (prove) their high value.

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Of course they do, the difference is that 'naturals' do not make a point or EFFORT to incorporate high value events in their stories. Why? They dont need to because their lives are full of high value events/experiences as it is, so pretty much ANY story they tell will reflect this value. ya get me?

IMO, including high value events in a story is not NEARLY as important as the delivery of the story and the EXPERIENCE you create for her. I would rather tell a story of how i was walking down the road and saw this guy standing on his head, as i walked past he engaged me in conversation, i chatted to him for about 15 minutes while he was completely inverted and had one fo the most interesting conversations ive had this year, it was profound. Ok so i just made this up now but I would rather tell this little story in a detailed and dramatic manner, than tell some story conveying that i have dated strippers/models and that I have a property business. She will find this out anyway and its best she finds it out in drips and drabs to keep SOME mystery to you right.

Why worry about labels? Natural is just another one of them. Just do what you feel comfortable or like doing. That's all.

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Natural game still follows a certain routine. But it has much more to do with subcommunications. The way you act around females, your tonality, your body language. It's these things that make naturals so good with women. Observe some naturals and notice how they always act the same around women. Is that purely improvisation? No, it's them.

But, we're focussing too much on words here.
They actually mean very little. As long as you are congruent with what you're saying it won't come off as weird. It's not about impressing but expressing, speaking from your core, putting yourself out there. No roof above head, no floor beneath.

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spot on mate.

natural is being confident .... your body and mind are one and you take risks without even thinking they are risks.

routines and canned material is a just a shield to protect yourself from being rejected and having low confidence.

i usually use canned material and routines when im getting blank at a cold approaches .. but these stories are real and not made up

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