I didn't read all the reply's

but my first reaction is: In order to become successful with seduction, you need to be comfortable with it!! Becoming better and better takes a lot of time, and if you're ashamed--->UNCOMFORTABLE with everybody knowing about, it'll work against you. In that case your body is protesting to your mind, which can a big issue for the quality of your improvement.

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Intressting thread. I would like to contribute that I'm not ashamed of being a PUA/Learning to be a PUA. But I don't go around and tell everybody about it either.

Not always. Ever heard of HPV?

clearly you're missing the point entirely.

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Well........how so? >_>

he seems to be talkign on a more emotional level, meaning STDs don't' apply.

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Emotional Attachment.

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To answer the threadstarter's question... NO
To me, being a PUA is being a master of social dynamics, and more specifically how women work, and then applying it. I know there are some who use it to womanize, but that's not how I roll. I remember Mystery mentioning that you "leave them better than before they met you..." and I do my best to apply that. There's no guilt in being a man of genuinely loves the presence of women, and actively does things to make that presence happen.

Why do you think this is an underground society?

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I don't understand your question

I don't understand your question

Because nobody knows about it?

Just that people know about it doesn't mean it's good.

There's plenty of underground music that's much better than the shit they play on radio.

How about you stop posting it would make our lives much easier.

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its not.

there's a new york times bestseller out about it. and anybody can find it with google.

underground societies are more like cult circles whose whereabouts and knowledge and intentions are unknown.

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Who can go home to his mother, if she still cares, and say, "Mom, I sleep with women and it makes me feel good."

Then tell her the facts.

There are a group of guys who work together to solve problems with girls.

We focus on elevating attraction in women in order to boost our self esteem.

We believe that beautiful women are the soruce of our unhappiness, and if we can conquer these objects we can become successfull in life.

Who will go home tonight and be proud to tell your mother that? Or someone you consider a role model.

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This is the definition of Ashamed

"unwilling or restrained because of fear of shame, ridicule, or disapproval: They were ashamed to show their work. "

Being a PUA teaches us to overcome fear, but at the same time it cause us to tell no one about it. I think the reason we don't tell people about it is because of the fear we have of being rejected for our irrational beliefs about women.

Kael said something about how in Mexico they treat women with the PUA mentaility. Maybe he is right. In America we strive to respect women on a higher plane than just a women who can cook and raise children. We have important political heads who are women, and large coroporations ran by women.

Society may have a influence on the relationships between men and women, but being a PUA is about arraction and SEX. I don't relate the two together.

Sincerely,
Magnum45

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