Do you really want to be part of something that doesn't get you, doesn't want you, and accepts you because you lied to them?

It's one thing to follow "the rules" as you can, it's another to misrepresent yourself to get a shiny object. Remember in the game when that one guy ended up divorced because he wasn't the person his wife thought he was? Why should we shoot for that?

Look, The Game is to help us meet women and to get past the anxieties that might make us miss the right person.

Sorry where was I talking about getting a shiny object?

Listen up, people are NOT equal I have met some girls with truly dreadful personalities, and I do not put them on par with the people with good personalities.

The reason I would want you not to back away from negativity is becuase it seriously reduces the number of people you can actually socialise with, reduces your own attractiveness and if you are looking for a life long partner that WILL impede you.

You want the obssessive compulsive girl who is dying to marry you after bumping into you in the street, or the artist who has travelled around the world and is now studying socio-biology while helping her sister run a PR business?

Don't know bout you but I have found people with crap personalities to be fairly shit company.

So if you are looking for a long term partner don't use that as an excuse to just grab the first girl who falls in your lap.

Your attitude in your previous posts suggested you are more interested in whether the girl will fuck you or not, rather than anything about who she is.

You're centered in the sex, condemning people who tell you to improve your game with idea's of "PU's not about shiny objects" in order to cover up for what seems to be social laziness.

Glad you're here to tell me what I think and what kind of girl I'm shooting for!

The simple truth is that I know girls with great personalities who just aren't for me. I don't look at any of them as a "prize" to be won. Oh, and prize=trophy=shiny object by the way.

But let me as you this. How does lying and manipulating people mean someone has a better personality? How is it that if a girl likes someone, she is better if she lies about it and plays hard to get than if she just admits she is interested in the guy.

I have a tendency to value people who are straightforward and honest. Silly me, I guess.

1. Your welcome

2. And nor should you look at them as a prize to be won.

3. Define and manipulating, I have met plenty of girls who when I texted them replied, "just got out of the shower" later admitting that it was a ploy to get me thinking of them naked.

I think your just trying to justify your own lack of will-power in that area, by using loaded terms like lying and manipulating. Yeah it technically is, but is it on par with trying to get some angry at a guy you don't like.

God no!

To tell you the truth I have never seen hard to get as lying or manipulating. I just find it fun


4. If you value people who are up front about their desires fine, but you'll find that the number of women worth wanting who have the confidence or mentality which makes them verbalise their attraction. And don't get me wrong I love it when I find a girl like that!

But over-all the ones who lay hard to get are also the ones who tend to be the best socialised and the ones with the best personality and our often heavily competed for so in the same way that someone like myself would. The girl actually screens quite heavily for a potential partner.

She unfortunatly like me can't show interest in all of them thanks to social double standards.

hoho, this is one hornets nest that has been stirred.


Essentially, as I understand it anyway, being a PUA is essentially about analyising what qualities are inherent to being a 'high value' person, and then setting out to deliberately display (or, ideally, develop) these qualities. The higher value you display, the higher value person you can meet.

I've known girls before who would not make attractive pinup posters but I found myself very attracted to. Why? Well, simple. They have displayed greater value than I saw in myself. (Sense of humour normally does the trick, although other values such as creativity, dress and so forth are just as relevent).

Basically, in answer to the first post, keep up your own value and he'll either 'raise his gam'e or be eating out of the palm of your hand. Just show you are capable of handling your half of the relationship - most guys get bored of girls who just supplicate to them. (Those who don't are usually pretty insecure and probably best dumped anyway - clingy other halfs just aren't worth the effort, trust me) You don't have to 'run game' as such, just make sure you are on equal footing throughout.

And, to answer the post above about having to be a 'pretty girl' to have value;

Yeah, some of our 'attraction switches' as guys are based on caveman Alpha/Beta dynamics, and that is why in modern society the girl with the huge gazoongers gets on Page 3 while a typical granny doesn't. But to state that, as men, we don't see beyond women beyond rating them as places to put our sperm is just flat out ignoring the last 100,000 years of human development. Just as our physical beings, customs and culture have developed constantly over this time, so too have our 'attraction switches'.

There may be an element of us that thinks in caveman Alpha/Beta terms, but there our other elements that don't.

_________________

when are we talking about lying and manipulating?

once again, whats the difference between girls games and pick up?

absolutely nothing, and the games have to be played because they're attractive.

if a girl internalizes the 'games' is it still lying and manipulating? most extremely high value girls naturally do the 'play hard to get thing' and it works for them.

_________________
Every Saint has a Past, Every Sinner has a Future

I totally agree with that. If a girl is so easy to get, do you really want to be with her? And can you really respect her? Put it this way, if she was easy for you to get, chances are, she is easy for eveyone else to get as well...

TELL HER NOTHING!!

ZiP

_________________
THIS USER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR BREAKING RULES 2, 3, 8, AND 9

what is it with everyone and large ass avatars? srsly?

_________________
Every Saint has a Past, Every Sinner has a Future