i may be reading this wrong, but...

i'm guessing that the reason you are at a crossroads in life is because of this: you are a reasonably successfull pua, who has met someone who may be the one for you, am i right?

i'm not going to be too flowery around this i'm afraid, as i think the whole point of being a pua is to have all the fun in the world. And then meet your ideal match and settle down, effectively leaving the community. So i'm going to be blunt;

why are you here asking us. there is deliberately no '?' there as this is a rhetorical question. If you have met this conservative woman that you are thinking of marrying then you should be extremely happy to have found her, and willing to give up being a pua in a heartbeat. Or if that isnt the case then you know you already know the answer to your question.

our motto is meant to be 'leave them in a better place than you found them'. by marrying her when it isnt something your heart and soul is into you are doing HER an injustice. and it will almost certainly fail.

i hope you can really have the courage to leave her in a better place.

all the best

David

To be honest I am tired of your generalizations, like any community or subculture they have several different types of people. I am completely natural these days, I don't pick up women any more instead I am focusing on my music career and studies.

I come here to help people (that want help). Also to address most of your points in one list drawing on my own experiences;

You can and I have got relationships with women who like me for me using theories from the community.

I have done it naturally.

People have got married from the community the reason you don't hear about it is they drop out of the community (tricky concept I know).

As for conservative women I am afraid they are the sum of their upbringing rather than a product of their own thought in my opinion.

Finally I gotta ask, why do you dwell on women? I appreciate that you like to think of yourself as a moral guy etc etc and hate the idea of commodifying women (as do I) however, there comes a time when you have to let go. I want to hear the story of Jill.

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hahaha 4th thread of your's im replying to. This is too fun ya know.

Your perceptions of PUA are bullshit. They're wrong.
Okay??

You are only focusing on the negative parts of PUA and blaming them for your own failures.

You want to be happy?? You want to stop using routines?? Great.

Now move onto Phase 2 of 4 onto becoming a successful natural.

You are only going through things everyone is going thorugh.

YOu now realize materials and routines give you a sense of fakeness.

Now you need to get rid of your ego, abandon the routines for the most part, and find a new way to improve.

Instead of improving what you say and how you Act, improve WHO YOU ARE.
The confidence parts of the SC are great with this.

You need to realize the goal of life is to be happy. You need to realize sooo many things that people will never tell you and leave you to find out for yourself.

My advice: Stick around. Read up on the modern Natural Game stuff.

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Yes, but what you do not realize is the fact that I'm not telling you to be fake, EVERYTHING you say should have some validity to it.

I am a real person, and when I speak people believe it - simply by how I'm saying it.

I'm not saying to be completely fake and canned then be your AFC self, I'm saying you disable her shield by using PUA and then you can convert to natural game.

Because at that point (once I've slept with her etc) I'd rather her like me for myself rather than someone I'm not, and if not, I can go to my 20 other options/ girls I have on my contacts that would be with me on the spot (Rebounds)

Once morale is built with a girl, she'll reproach your actions with less severity. (This goes for anybody)

If, say for example, a girl/guy I've been dating for 4 years puts a dent in my car, I'd just be like "What the hell :/"

But, if a girl/guy that I just met did that, I would probably curse them out on the spot.

Bottom line is - you use 100% pua state to get the girl to like you, once she likes you, you can loosen up and be more natural. (I.e. be yourself not even thinking about stuff you do/ say because you'll be accepted)

Matador himself stated this theory so I am not talking out of my ass.

You must of misinterpreted/ I worded myself incorrectly.

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I'm only in PU until i can find the right girl.

and PU is increasing the chances of me having a solid successful marriage down the road by making sure we're equals as well as giving me insight into the female mind.


magnum needs to realize that getting married also isn't the goal. its being happy. both of those options he proposed CAN bring happiness, but 1 offers a SIGNIFICANTLY higher chance than the other. and that happens to be the PU side being that its strong self development and self actualization, as opposed to waiting and waiting and never truly making anything of yourself.


goddamnit....is magnum gonna be like that guy that shot up a gym because he sucked with women?

he needs some fucking help

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Hahahahahahahaha.

Lol I lol'd irl

Yeah I know kids like that who go to my school that I'm like "He's probably gonna shoot up the school"

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I don't know if I believe this or not. I am tending to say that this is random bull shit complied out of many post and not from personal experience.
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You want to hear the story of Jill? She is the girl who triggered my reaction to PUA.

I meet her at a film festival through a mutual friend. She came up to me, and said something like I know you. But I didn't have a clue who she was. I only knew that she looked cute and sweet. So, I hang out for a while and meet her mom by accident. Her mom likes me, and keeps me around by making conversation with me.

We leave that night and she gives me a hug with a look, which I interpret as "you can do anything you want with me".

Two weeks later I have her in my same class by coincidence. I immediately go up to her and ask her if she wants to have coffee during the middle of the first break. She drops everything and comes with me. She didn't bring her purse or anything. I bought her a coffee and we talked for 20 min's.

At first, the conversation was rocky. She seemed insecure and she didn't understand where I was coming from. Jill is French by the way, but has lived here for like 15 years, but attended high school at a local French school.

After some time, she understood my humor, and realized that I was just making fun of her.

I took her home after class because she didn't want to take the bus. I began talking with her a lot.

I think I took her home about five times and during our fourth trip I opened up to her and told her my life story and my struggles.

I knew it was risky, but I wanted her, and I didn't know any way to get her. So I just opened up.

She was very receptive, and after I took her home, she said "why are you so nice?" I was very pleased with her comment.

Basically every time I took her home I was trying to get free time so I could hang out with her, but she kept deflecting. Then on the 5th ride home she told me she wanted to be friends with me. I was devastated.

I got upset and told her not to categorize me and put me into a "friend zone". I was really upset and hurt actually. She felt really bad for me and invited me to hang out. So we went and had a burrito. After the burrito I kissed her. Then I kissed her again.

I dropped her off and she asked me if I was going to hang out longer, but I had to go to school, so I left.

I wanted to call her, but I didn't because I was: afraid to fall madly in love, and I didn't want to lose track of my life.

Two days later, in class she acts like nothing happened. I am perplexed. I knew I should have called her, and I felt guilty for not calling her after such a passionate exchange of emotions.

She tells me, “I feel pressure". I say that is not my intention. She says, "I will take the bus home today".

I didn't understand.

I was so upset.

I figured that the reason why she felt pressure is because I was in class with her and always around during the break, and we where always hanging out. Then after class I would hang out and give her a ride home.

I didn't realize this was causing her harm, but I felt the pressure too. I didn't want to talk to other females because of my intentions with Jill. I didn't want to allow myself to flirt with other girls and cause Jill to lose interest in me.

I think being a PUA made it very difficult to stop flirting with other girls. I was ashamed of it actually, and I will never tell a woman in my life that I was a PUA. It is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

I don't care if conservative women think through there parents. There parents have tradition, and tradition helps people get through tuff times.

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the reason she wasn't attracted to you was because you were being a provider. you were giving her rides home.

you were showing that you were willing to do anything for her.

hell, flirting with other girls would have made her more interested.

and then of course the LJBF you totally failed. you're supposed to not give a fuck, since youre a man. telling her not to put you in the friendzone is just nonsense.

and you weren't even causing her much harm at all. she probably walked away without a scratch.

and chances are since then she's been bedded by a wannabe PUA using mystery method or the like. and it was probable one of the best lays of her life.



you're here feeling sorry for yourself and trying to pass the blame onto someone or something else.

but in the end, you had control. and while you can't always control everything that happens, you can control yourself and your emotions, and through that control a situation.

everything was in your power to change. accept that it was your fault and learn from it.

obviously your current attitude isn't helping anyone. so try a new one.

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Nope. I'm sorry. It's a post I made based on observations and personal experiences.

Anyhoo. You will never be successful unless you change.
First you ask for help while disrespecting the people who you ask help from, then you retort with something crazy.
What are you trying to achieve man??

If you don't like PUA, then LEAVE.
Why are you here? What do you want? If you see no benefits of this community, why are you asking us for help and then disrespecting us?

It's because you dont ACTUALLY hate the community. You are just confused and you have an ego the size of the moon.

Try to recall what FRIENDS are and maybe you will improve yourself sometime soon.

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Why are you sorry?

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You can't understand where I am coming from. You are to far on the PUA side.

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yeah right dude.


what is one thing almost EVERYONE in PUA has in common? (not all but most)


They've had their heart broken. Pain is the best motivator and its what motivated many to get into this in the first place.



In my case, i lacked self control, and drunkenly cheated on my girlfriend, who I loved more than any girl before or since. I can still remember the pain I felt looking into my girlfriends eyes knowing I destroyed everything. I'm tearing up right now just thinking about it.


Stop acting like you're different. Everyone here knows exactly what you're going through.


So grow some fucking balls.

We all did.

And we're better men because of it.

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That is the first real thing I think I have read from you. Do you think that maybe the reason why you are going fuck crazy is because of this pain you feel?

It must be so hard to take on full responsibility for mistake like that. I know some people who would of stayed together after that. I also know some that won't . I wish I could make you feel better, but I don't know how to convince you to take the blame off of yourself.

I think that it is O.K. to make mistakes and learn from them. We are not perfect. You are going to have to lift your head up high and be proud again. That journey is all internal. I can feel your pain.

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You shouldn't have been pleased. That was your first clue that you were going to end up in the friend zone. Women are emotional creatures. They need emotional highs and lows, in other words they need passion. You didn't provide passion, you provided nice. There is nothing passionate about nice. It is bland and neutral. You were coming from a logical standpoint rather than an emotional standpoint. You were trying to be the best logical companion for her, rather than trying to give her new and varying feelings of emotion.