If this has already been mentioned, I apologize.

A lot of my buddy's were also worried about this stuff spreading and how the public would catch on to PU methods.

But this is how I see it:

This stuff has been around, before anyone really knew about it. Once someone picked up on it, a future PUA, he just added terminology to it. The variables of the PU methods are still valid, you just need to plug and chug the numbers/material to make the equation work. I think it gives a sense of those to push and become creative on their own and use their own material. I think if you can do that, and it's your OWN material, you could be untouchable.

Like I said/feel about this... it's been around. It just took someone to figure it out, tweak the methods, add terms for it, and make it into a science. It's basic psychology/sociology for the most part, and it's all in front of you. Sometimes it just takes someone to show you what it is and add some reinforcement/tags to the behavior so you can learn it.

Look at it like this, if a sports team has a new strategy to win games, they're gonna use it. Eventually, the other team(s) are going to catch on how this works. The rules are ALWAYS the same, and the goal never changes. So just make a new strategy to win.

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i agree, it is quite concerning to me that all the tricks are being thrust out front and center in the media for people to see.
what if AMOGs pick up on these?
what if HBs pick up on these?

i'll tell you, the reason i'm nervous about using opinion openers is that it may come off as kind of fake. this fear is exponentially compounded by the openers, and the concept of openers, being broadcast on VH1 for the world to see. the last thing i want is to be called out on using "PUA tricks." (Then i'd better hope i'm good at direct game and smooth talking, which i'm not yet ) when HBs see this (i'm sure quite a few will), they may detect PUA tactics as "tricks" and it will make the game a lot harder if HBs are recognizing negs and IOI/IOD combos and compliance tests.
it's a sad day when the HBs know our game as well/better than we do.


but, as i think about it, i think the only real concerns are that the concept of a PUA and the tactics of the game are made aware to them, thus possibly making it harder to do a PU. and, of course, that canned material becomes commonplace (like in The Game when Style used the college girlfriend opener and the best friends test and got called out on them because they had already been used on them).
inevitably, girls still do want to be picked up/laid/swept off their feet. it just is not helping it be any easier to do.

i agree though, that the benefit is that those who need help see a place to turn, they discover the community when they may otherwise be lost in a pit of misery.
it's a double-edged sword here.

the bottom line is that whether we like the seduction community broadcast to the media, that's the way it is, and we're going to have to adapt our game to that.

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i agree, it is quite concerning to me that all the tricks are being thrust out front and center in the media for people to see.
what if AMOGs pick up on these?
what if HBs pick up on these?

i'll tell you, the reason i'm nervous about using opinion openers is that it may come off as kind of fake. this fear is exponentially compounded by the openers, and the concept of openers, being broadcast on VH1 for the world to see. the last thing i want is to be called out on using "PUA tricks." (Then i'd better hope i'm good at direct game and smooth talking, which i'm not yet ) when HBs see this (i'm sure quite a few will), they may detect PUA tactics as "tricks" and it will make the game a lot harder if HBs are recognizing negs and IOI/IOD combos and compliance tests.
it's a sad day when the HBs know our game as well/better than we do.


but, as i think about it, i think the only real concerns are that the concept of a PUA and the tactics of the game are made aware to them, thus possibly making it harder to do a PU. and, of course, that canned material becomes commonplace (like in The Game when Style used the college girlfriend opener and the best friends test and got called out on them because they had already been used on them).
inevitably, girls still do want to be picked up/laid/swept off their feet. it just is not helping it be any easier to do.

i agree though, that the benefit is that those who need help see a place to turn, they discover the community when they may otherwise be lost in a pit of misery.
it's a double-edged sword here.

the bottom line is that whether we like the seduction community broadcast to the media, that's the way it is, and we're going to have to adapt our game to that.

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>>> ascend to the next level

~Luminova~

i agree, it is quite concerning to me that all the tricks are being thrust out front and center in the media for people to see.
what if AMOGs pick up on these?
what if HBs pick up on these?

i'll tell you, the reason i'm nervous about using opinion openers is that it may come off as kind of fake. this fear is exponentially compounded by the openers, and the concept of openers, being broadcast on VH1 for the world to see. the last thing i want is to be called out on using "PUA tricks." (Then i'd better hope i'm good at direct game and smooth talking, which i'm not yet ) when HBs see this (i'm sure quite a few will), they may detect PUA tactics as "tricks" and it will make the game a lot harder if HBs are recognizing negs and IOI/IOD combos and compliance tests.
it's a sad day when the HBs know our game as well/better than we do.


but, as i think about it, i think the only real concerns are that the concept of a PUA and the tactics of the game are made aware to them, thus possibly making it harder to do a PU. and, of course, that canned material becomes commonplace (like in The Game when Style used the college girlfriend opener and the best friends test and got called out on them because they had already been used on them).
inevitably, girls still do want to be picked up/laid/swept off their feet. it just is not helping it be any easier to do.

i agree though, that the benefit is that those who need help see a place to turn, they discover the community when they may otherwise be lost in a pit of misery.
it's a double-edged sword here.

the bottom line is that whether we like the seduction community broadcast to the media, that's the way it is, and we're going to have to adapt our game to that.

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~Luminova~

i'm really sorry for that. my browser was acting weird - i didn't mean to post that 3 times!

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Well i've come to realize that there is no reason to worry for many reasons. Most guys don't believe pua stuff works, they don't believe they need it, they're to prideful to think they need help, many guys already have a girlfriend, they think it is wrong some how, some have a small amount of knowledge from the show and various sources and think they know it all, it takes a lot of effort and pushing yourself through discomfort and ackwardness and most people are week willed and lazy and will never put a true effort into it.

In some ways it's like mma, almost everyone knows about it, and a lot of guys train it but only a small amount will push through hard training and get good. The guys on top know 95% of people who train here and there are nothing! pua wonl't get as big as mma because being an mma fighter makes you sound good to most people, being a pua makes you sound bad to most people.

All in all if your improving yourself and making real transformation inside and outside girls will be attracted to you. Theres also different pua styles, learn them and create your own style.

" Women aren't the least bit consistent or logical."
That is a stereotype of women that men want to blame on them. This is part of the reason why women aren't respected in the workplace or in general.

Because they aren't consistent or logical??? Really??? And I wonder why you are on a PU site. With that kind of attitude toward women... Good Luck!

The best PUA are the ones that love women, treasure them and truly understand them. Oh and most women do not fantasize about the nerdy/nice/smart guy... we only say that to make you go away

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No girls will be able to pick yup that you watch a show on vh1 lol

I watched some of the Styles material, due to recognizing PUAs because of the book, and he said that you just say something like this if they figure you out (I don't remember exactly what but its should be close):

"my friends and i were discussing is this is something that really works, so we made a bet and i was one to try it out, i guess it doesn't . What do you think about whole pick up artist thing?"

I didn't field test it because I am just starting with opening sets. But this should probably spark real conversation where you can throw some DHVs and negs.

VERY good question - I asked the same one as an AFC.

Even if PUA was as common as Michael Jackson, and girls KNEW all the methods, if I were to neg her/ turn my back to her, she'd STILL feel it.

It's an inner feeling in all people's guts.

We are PROGRAMMED to REACT the SAME way to all of these negs etc, regardless if we expect it.

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Its not like PUA is anything most 'naturals' haven't been doing for years anyway.


Negging = pulling pigtails on the school playground.

AMOG = Jocks having an arm wrestling contest to try and impress the girls.

And so forth.

The only difference is a PUA activly tries, fails, learns, tries again until he gets the process down. A AFC tries, fails, tries, fails, tries, fails, tries, fails, is now drunk and throwing caution to the wind, encounters drunk girl, has crap sex they barely remember....

The entire goal of opening is to come in under the radar, and take HB off her pedelstool. There are infinite amount of ways to do this, not just Mysterys/Styles/Whoever. The fun is trying different ones and finding out what works. And coming out of your failures with a story to tell.

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dont use canned material

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noticed this was on here and figured I would quickly pipe up. There is a documentary being made in the UK at the moment not sure when or where it will screen but I think it is going to be a really positive thing for the community in the UK. It shows the community in a good way so far etc etc yar should do good and as a cheeky bonus I am in it

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I'll check it out if I spot it. Sounds interesting I guess.

you can be successful with even the cheesiest overused lines out there because no one remembers or gives to much attention to openers. Its what you build up from it and all the other aspects that make you the alpha male.