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Here’s how it works: The Pick-Up Artist devotee feels worthless. He is informed that self-worth may be secured by having sex with women agreed to be attractive by the Pick-Up Artist community. He is told that in order to have sex with these women, he must not “be himself”—remember, he is worthless. Instead, he must pay exorbitant amounts of money to learn the correct “tactics” not to gain self-worth—but to convince the women that it is they who are truly worthless. Only the Pick-Up Artist “master” wins here—he gets the cash regardless of the outcome of the sexual conquest, while feeling superior to his male devotees (who are, in turn, superior to all women).

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Here’s how it works: The Pick-Up Artist devotee feels worthless. He is informed that self-worth may be secured by having sex with women agreed to be attractive by the Pick-Up Artist community. He is told that in order to have sex with these women, he must not “be himself”—remember, he is worthless. Instead, he must pay exorbitant amounts of money to learn the correct “tactics” not to gain self-worth—but to convince the women that it is they who are truly worthless. Only the Pick-Up Artist “master” wins here—he gets the cash regardless of the outcome of the sexual conquest, while feeling superior to his male devotees (who are, in turn, superior to all women).
I can see where you're coming from on this. I've also noticed huge insecurities about SOME of those in the seduction community.


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I agree the whole pop-psych 101 self-help "get your life in order" PUA approach is completely absurd. These guys are not qualified to talk on that shit. I don't pretend to be a psychiatrist because I read a few books by Tony Robbins or Tolle.

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I don't think thats what the most well known PUA's claim to be either. They just say what mindset helped them out in order to be successful in that area.


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Bless the great Sand Tiger. Finally, someone gets it on here. Don't fall for scams. Go watch some worthless pickup videos. The production quality is worse than a low budget 70's porno. Hell, the broads in them ARE from 70's porn!


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Amenzzzzzzzzz

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Facts You Don’t Know About The Seduction Community:
  • Seduction Community Only Treats The Symptoms – Not The Causes.
    Treating Symptoms Makes Your Journey Unnecessary Long.
    Seduction Community Makes You DEPENDENT On Forums, DVD programs And “Latest” Seduction Secrets.
    You Can Take Care Of All Your Symptoms By Fixing The Cause.

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Seduction Community Only Treats The Symptoms – Not The Causes.
I agree with you on quite a number of stuff but with regards to the above isn't that what "sorting out your inner game" is all about? Treating the causes?


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I have always found it funny that the gurus are all lifetime failures. Failed comedians, failed actors, failed magicians, etc. They can't compete with "financial gurus" and "self-help gurus" or even "weight loss gurus" so instead they find a nitch that is void of any real "guru talent". As a proud lifetime failure myself I am thinking that this game is sounding mighty good. Anyone care to join me?


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Sleeping with girls aren't on my mind . . .
With all due respect...are you a male? If you are, you are programmed to have sex on the mind my friend. It's the reason us humans are not yet extinct. Besides why wouldn't you want to have this on the mind, its fun, its healthy, its human (and Im not saying go and bang anything and everything with a pulse, as many guys do).

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From there, you move to doing this naturally and after two minutes of hooking her into your conversation this is where you should just, as you say, be yourself.
DocWindigo, I agree with alot of what you have to say....however...its not about the first 1 or 2 minutes being in 'PUA mode' and then thereafter being yourself, its about being yourself from the word go. The key is to DEVELOP yourself into that person that naturally attracts women while being yourself. This occurs after using these techniques so often that they eventually (after some time) become embedded into you. They become part of your core belief system, you do it without thinking, its called unconscious competence. This way you will come across as congruent in your behavior/actions and these techniques will not be external 'techniques' anymore, they will be the real you.

It's the same as success in business, you need to develop yourself into a person that is worthy of success and hence naturally attracts it. This takes time...and once again it is down to retraining your current belief system, which ultimately effects your actions/behavior, which determines your results. Anyone can do this.

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If she is still standing there . . . she likes you.
I wish this was the case! Girls stick around chatting to you for a number of reasons....some just want attention,some are just being polite and dont want to be mean by dropping you immediately, some just see you as a nice guy to chat to but dont see you as a potential sexual partner. Believe me if a girl is still standing there it does NOT mean she automatically likes you. Yes it COULD be an IOI if she remains talking to you for an extended period of time...but its not guaranteed, at all. This is why one learns how to detect a range of IOI's to give us a better idea as to whether she is sexually interested or not.
You're mindset sucks. Next.
David...maybe you should read my post again, it explains the underlying concepts that one is able to use in order to change/develop yourself into the type of person that you strive to be in life. ie. changing your belief system by re-training your subconscious mind. You are entitled to your own opinion about my 'mindset', it is however interesting to see that most of the 'well developed' and respected members on this forum would probably agree with what I say above. I am so sure of it that I am making this claim out in the open. One can quite easily see that yourself and Sand Tiger are not really into developing yourselves as people, but rather (with all due respect) you are coming across as pessimistic individuals that constantly ridicule the seduction community, accusing it of being a money making scam etc etc. Not ONE of your and Sand Tigers posts are positive. They are all complaints. F*ck the seduction community and what it stands for, just take what ever 'good' you can use from it and start focusing on yourself for once.


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WOW........Thats an extremely fucking shallow view on things, imo. I'm a guy and I dont have sex on my mind all that often. Maybe some of us dont value it as much as others do. Sure it may be a fun thing but its nothing to obsess over as many people do.
I value and respect sex more than you will ever imagine...I'm the guy in my social circle that does NOT go around sleeping with a women for the hell of it, I turn it down often. I was making a point in my post above due to the fact that David comes across as if he floats through life without the intentions of having sex, he just waits for it 'to happen'. As a male this is unnatural. Nothing 'just happens', we make things happen. It is OK to think about sex and to desire it, it is human, you really do not have to feel bad/guilty about it! Thinking about one of the most awesome acts that two human beings can partake in does not mean that you are abusing or disrespecting it in any way.

All the best,

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Women are invented to justify the PUA community , which is hilarious because

IN THE COMMUNITY THE FIRST RULE IS ABOUT SPECIFICITY OF TARGET!

SO a good PUA isn't hitting on just any woman , they admit it.

They're culling the herd specifically trying to knock down women who've been " overvalued " in the dating market.

So they aim for the women who meet a very specific criteria.

Except when they talk about it becomes women don't like nice guys!

WHAT?!?!

Welcome to that bullshit AGAIN.

Just as with the " enlightened traveler" the " PUA" invents a stereotype they believe in to extricate themselves from.

The AFC or Ugly American and proceeds to fictionalize a noble goal finally ending there terms as AFC's or " learning and understanding cultures"

to make their baser desires

I wanna get laid

I wanna sound be smart

sound noble

That's that bullshit.

Why?

Because as both occurrences so deftly show in theory, practice and execution it creates lots and lots of white noise. Entire discussions aren't about discussing or evaluating the problems but about me centered snark rejoinders and invented premises.

Or course your the not ugly American when you make up the terms of course all women like assholes when the only ones you count are the ones who respond when you act an asshole.

It is all about telling folks what you are and how much you are on the side of angels.

And it's dangerous

Because should someone BELIEVE you they are in for a rude awakening. Should someone believe you're actually interested in fixing things or improving relations they're gonna get smacked down worse than were they dealing with a fullout enemy, or a panty chasing only asshole.

Bullshitters are the real dangerous because the problem isn't that they don't know the truth but that

THEY DON'T CARE. They don't want you to be able to the real work of fixing the shit, or opening gender equalities , or finding a better orgasm , or achieving mental health whatever it is because frankly they SUCCEED in the current equality.

Enlightened tourists can bat their eyes and claimed to be learning when the bogart churches ( lordy Harlem on sunday) by pointing at unenlightened Americans. PUA like the fact there are AFC or alpha males because it makes their system work!

But they can't let you know that because without it who couldn't they feel superior to!

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Sand Tiger, out of interest why are you part of this seduction community if you hate it so much? You contribute nothing positive and simply stand to ridicule it...if i had your views I would have left long ago.

You fascinate me.


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*Standing ovation*

Brother you speak the 100% truth.


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Why do people bother replying to these threads? Just get on with your lives? Same to people who start them really.

Would it not be better to agree to disagree. For those who are seeing reults of the hard work, just be satisfied with what you're getting. Those who think this is all 'bullshit' or whatever, well, leave us in our world of delusion. We're not going to change your mind and vice versa so everyone contributing to this thread is really wasting their time one way or another.


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Why do people bother replying to these threads? Just get on with your lives? Same to people who start them really.

Would it not be better to agree to disagree. For those who are seeing reults of the hard work, just be satisfied with what you're getting. Those who think this is all 'bullshit' or whatever, well, leave us in our world of delusion. We're not going to change your mind and vice versa so everyone contributing to this thread is really wasting their time one way or another.
Truthfully, I think that could be stated for most, if not all, argument threads.


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