Why would you try to get laid? The less you try, the more you'll get it.

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You nailed it.

I'm not the coolest guy in the world or "highest value". I don't have a swarm of female friends like Adam Lyons. I'm also not really charismatic. What I have to offer in terms of value to a woman, is actually pretty minimal.

The only difference is, I am comfortable with my own skin, and I use what I have as much as I possibly can.

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Fine line between identifying yourself as a person with the state you are currently in and understanding the state your at.

You think Adam always had a horde of attractive women surrounding him?

People tend to be very fluid.. things change. Yes absolutely understand where you are, your weaknesses and strengths... your starting point... but also make sure to have a path, we are all constantly changing so why not direct that change in a direction you like?

You can either progress or regress... there is no stagnation until death.

Suppose that there are lots of ways to skin a cat. In fact, some would argue that "the" way doesn't exist. This is my way, this is your way and even if I try to imitate what you are doing I am never going to reproduce it 100% so it is just a version or "my way" of what someone else does.

Just to play with this idea, let's say, I want to make a cake, but I can't cook. What do I do?

I buy a book with a recipe.
The recipe tells me the basic ingredients to add so I have an idea. Someone has made the cake loads of times and has produced a recipe that works.

The recipe doesn't mean that the guy who wrote the recipe is any better than me. He has just practised loads of times and come up with a list that nearly always works if you do it like he says. On the other hand, I could go out and buy ingredients and try experimenting and trying to make the cake I have in mind but it would take a while to get it just right. If someone already has done the field work necessary then this would save many people time. By the way, I don't think that using a recipe will produce identical results every time, but will produce a satisfactory cake each time.

This must apply to pretty much anything in the world that requires some knowledge to be able to do.

Well, just finking...

A person who, after studying mass-marketed 'Pick Up Techniques' and putting them into practice, discovers that he is not any happier, nor self-satisfied, nor socially-calibrated than he was before - only now he cannot communicate with people except in 'PUA jargon', and has alienated all his non-PUA friends.

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Spot on! I echoed this earlier in one of my earlier posts, there is not point in re-inventing the wheel. Use what is already out there and develop from that. Scientists/technologists/medical practitioners etc use existing 'base' knowledge to prove new theories/concepts, they do not start from scratch every time...else they wouldn't get anywhere

After studying THEORY alone then yes your statement I believe is true...whereas after APPLYING/PRACTICING this theory, it would most certainly result in self change/development. I do believe you would be more self-satisfied.

Just the act of going out and approaching plenty of women without any so-called PUA techniques will change your life alone...you will automatically alter many limiting beliefs of yours by doing this...you WILL change as a person and you WILL become more confident after doing this repeatedly. This is exactly how one develops and changes ones self, through visualization, and voluntary action. Fact.

David you're avoiding the point of my post. I'm saying if you had the SLIGHTEST intention of sleeping with a women (which you do!) then your interactions with that particular women is the same as 'game'. Its your own natural game while ignoring PUA game if you prefer to put it that way.

And don't say you'll get laid more if youre not TRYING to get laid...at the end of the day you have a goal in mind (to sleep with her) and your interactions with that girl will serve as a means to progress towards that goal. You cannot tell me that you will interact the exact same with a women that you DONT want to sleep with, and a women that you DO want to sleep with.

The interaction will be different as your goal with each women will be different, the one is friendship, the other is sexual relations. At the end of the day, you need to TRY to achieve your goal what ever that goal may be....maybe the point you are trying to get across is that one should not be outcome based by trying TOO HARD, as this I agree can screw things up.

But please don't tell me that one should not TRY to get laid...because my friend when you are out flirting with the intent of having sex with her...you are doing just that, 'trying'.

Did I ever tell you what to do step by step?

I gave you a general idea of what kind of mindset you should adopt. Never would I ask you to imitate me, or anyone else.

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I expect nothing from people. Sleeping with girls aren't on my mind . . . that is what I am trying to convey. Unless I have a reason to sleep with a girl and she's convinced me, I don't have that intention.

Have you been so warped that this does not make sense?

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This is false my friend. This is not business. This is nothing more than going out and talking to girls. And if the girl likes you--and you like her, then it's done. Where's the theory in that? Why overcomplicate "boy likes girl, girl likes boy"?

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David is exactly right on this. This is nothing more than talking to girls. There's no since in overcomplicating creating attraction between you and another girl. But I think David has missed the major idea of "pick up". For me (maybe others will think this makes sense) "pick up" is only the first 1-2 minutes of talking to a girl. I believe this because your using a set of skills based on psycological theories that are said to get the woman interested in even talking to you.

It said in the PUA community that an attractive woman is hit on more than a thousand times in a single year and most guys she doesn't bother to give the time of day to because she doesn't have the time. She's not saying she doesn't like you, she just doesn't want to give every guy that's attracted to her the time to get to know them otherwise or she wouldn't have time for herself.

She can't possibly not like you if she hasn't even got to know you. So, this is where the "pick up" starts. Nailing down the skills that will definately make a girl want to get to know you. From there, you move to doing this naturally and after two minutes of hooking her into your conversation this is where you should just, as you say, be yourself. You don't want someone to like someone your not, you want them to like you so, I agree on what you've said in the forums about reflecting what you want to attract in women. Work on yourself and be who you want to be in order to attract the women you want.

I see your side, but I also see no harm in using a little bit of interesting information that might take you a couple hours a day for a week or two (that you'd be spending naked on a bing bag chair eating cheetos or something anyway) to learn how to open a conversation to make a girl interested in talking to you and keeping the conversation going.

Most PUAs will succeed in 2 out of 5 or ten girls they talk to (I've heard). So happened to the skills with all the unsuccesful attempts? There was not natural attraction this is why it isn't a flawless sytem. Just because your using techniques doesn't mean the laws of natural attraction are ruled out, but rather you've been given more opportunities to get to know a possible mate. Once you learn the basics I say play it normal from there.

If she is still standing there . . . she likes you.

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With all due respect...are you a male? If you are, you are programmed to have sex on the mind my friend. It's the reason us humans are not yet extinct. Besides why wouldn't you want to have this on the mind, its fun, its healthy, its human (and Im not saying go and bang anything and everything with a pulse, as many guys do).

DocWindigo, I agree with alot of what you have to say....however...its not about the first 1 or 2 minutes being in 'PUA mode' and then thereafter being yourself, its about being yourself from the word go. The key is to DEVELOP yourself into that person that naturally attracts women while being yourself. This occurs after using these techniques so often that they eventually (after some time) become embedded into you. They become part of your core belief system, you do it without thinking, its called unconscious competence. This way you will come across as congruent in your behavior/actions and these techniques will not be external 'techniques' anymore, they will be the real you.

It's the same as success in business, you need to develop yourself into a person that is worthy of success and hence naturally attracts it. This takes time...and once again it is down to retraining your current belief system, which ultimately effects your actions/behavior, which determines your results. Anyone can do this.

I wish this was the case! Girls stick around chatting to you for a number of reasons....some just want attention,some are just being polite and dont want to be mean by dropping you immediately, some just see you as a nice guy to chat to but dont see you as a potential sexual partner. Believe me if a girl is still standing there it does NOT mean she automatically likes you. Yes it COULD be an IOI if she remains talking to you for an extended period of time...but its not guaranteed, at all. This is why one learns how to detect a range of IOI's to give us a better idea as to whether she is sexually interested or not.

Why wouldnt you try to get laid?

You dont want to be her "BFF", you want to have sex with her.

I completely disagree with the "less you try, more you'll get it theory".

If that were true, I would have been rolling in pussy during high school. I've been told I'm a good looking guy and I have great style, but when I wasnt trying, I was just a friend. Theres a certain point where you have to put effort in. Women dont just have sex with you for no reason.

WOW........Thats an extremely fucking shallow view on things, imo. I'm a guy and I dont have sex on my mind all that often. Maybe some of us dont value it as much as others do. Sure it may be a fun thing but its nothing to obsess over as many people do.

You're mindset sucks. Next.

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