The promise of being able to attract any woman you desire is a lie. This community can make no such thing happen.

You will attract what you are. Not what you want.

You want to attract a certain type of girl? Start to reflect and deal with issues that are preventing you from being what you want to attract.

Be you're own fucking guru.

These self-proclaimed guru's that write really long doctrine's and offer bootcamps are nothing more than guys just like you and me. They figured out something that works for them and are now sharing it.

You can figure out what works for you too, just go out there and keep trying. Push to failure. Hit rock bottom. So you can build yourself up.

Everything you ever have an issue with in miscalibration, will fix itself over time. Push to failure. Learn from your mistakes, not from other people. Face your fears. There's plenty of women to go around.

Humans love sex. It's happening all around you. And people are getting it effortlessly. Why are you working so hard to get a lay? Let the girl game you.

Be in a relationship when you want to be in one. And when you want to be single, be single.

Value and respect yourself more than anything else. Don't compromise your values, ethics and morales for anyone, woman, or being. This will fuck with your head.

Stop reading pick up material. I promise you, that everything will be alright. Just keep going out. You have your life to get good at this.

There is no such thing as game. There is only giving the girl an illusion there is one going on.

Confidence is not being bold.

Confidence is being comfortable in your own skin.

Be youre own fucking guru.

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David,

I agree with alot of what you have to say...however I do believe there is a balance which is needed in terms of investing in one's self through theory-learning (forums like this one), and then the other more important side of it which is, taking action.

It's the same as being successful in business, learn how a successful person thinks,acts,what makes them tick, what drives them,study them to a tee. Then model them (but of course adapted to who you are in a unique sense). If you do what a successful man does, you will achieve what a successful man achieves. Simple as that. And those successful men that we use as OUR mentors also used mentors themselves and learnt from successful men before them...no-one on earth ever learnt everything they know on their own...its a chain of legacies left by others before us.

Same go's for the PUA world. Learning some basic theory in the beginning will help avoid common pitfalls which may take YEARS to figures out on one's own. Learning MM for example is like taking 10 yrs of hard experience and being able to implement it from day one.

Then, coupled with this theory-learning from our mentors, we need to take action of course, else its all useless isnt it. And of course we will still be learning as we go, but learning from others which have been there and done that gives us a head start in terms of what we are trying to achieve. Its the same as technology, no-one wants to re-invent it, we only want to better it.

So yes be your own guru by learning as you go on your own, but couple this with knowledge from those who have achieved what you are trying to achieve. This will lead to the fastest progression. Else you may as well re-invent the wheel which could take a few thousand years.

It seems to me that you have gotten to one of the last stages of pick-up. Realization.
You realize that being your own self and not copying anyone is the path to go, but I'd doubt that you would reach that level if you never had an inspirational source.

This is what the pick-up community provides in my eyes, the motivation needed to achieve this level of competence, and when you reach it you are starting to get in touch with your self-confidence:)

- Exerio

Pickup artists are absolutely clueless. About relationships. They’ve perfected the player aspect, but nothing else. These ‘men’ are just little boys who love to play games and who need to learn to grow up. We can systematize ritual socializing and seduction until we're all blue in the face and familiar with a host of itchy diseases, but nothing amidst this process is anything other than ancient. I am however somewhat bemused to discover that people are paying for classes.

If the goal of the “seduction community” were to find a “higher quality woman” then there wouldn’t be a community. One would find their high quality woman and then leave. The only thing that makes it a community is that it is a “catch and release” mentality. I’ve never really understood the whole PUA thing anyway, its always just seemed like a great way to become an asshole with herpes to me. Women don’t like me because I am ugly/uninteresting/generally unpleasant to be around (read: a schmuck) so I will trick the stupid bitches into liking me with a combination of emotional manipulation and abuse! What could possibly go wrong? Moo hoo haha!

Of course the community is preoccupied with power dynamics and having the upper hand, they’re not looking for partners but real dolls with a pulse. The “confidence” gained comes from convincing yourself of your own superiority and learning how to spot the most emotionally vulnerable targets. Its the interpersonal equivalent to GHB.

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I should sue the creators of She's Out Of My League for turning my life story into a movie without my consent.

David, I agree with you 100%. This is what I think:

" Canned stuff is just a small plus to your own game which is basically build on your confidence. If you are confident, you can build better game. You are not, your "building" you have build (=game) will fall down, because your base wasnt strong enough. "

Is natural game classed as game? If not, then no one needs game.

Sand Tiger
People get into the PU community for different reasons. Some are looking to just have fun, some are looking for a long term girl friend, some are looking for a wife, some are looking for a fbuddy. Its not necessarily about 'catch and release'...I dont think anyone could be 100% fulfilled in life if they were 'catching and releasing' until the day they die. PUA's are aware this. I can bet you that MOST have the ultimate goal in mind of finding a long term partner at the end of the day.

Also, I wouldn't say its about emotional manipulation (although there are some slimy guys in the community, but then again no community is perfect), its about personal development coupled with an understanding of female human psychology. The problem with the community is that it is perceived as a slimy/manipulative set of 'techniques' that one uses to TRICK girls into bed. It needn't be this way at all. Its a pity it has this reputation though!

Its fascinating how if one reads a book on sex/love/relationships its seen as mature, responsible and widely acceptable in society (in fact its encouraged). Try reading a book on female human psychology to improve your interactions with women...ie. a PUA book... and all of a sudden youre seen in a negative light. You'll get the 'oh my god youre such a loser you have to read a BOOK to get girls!!'...well why doesn't Dr Phil get...'oh my god you WROTE a book on how to have successful and healthy relationships!!! Loser!!!'. Its because of the way its marketed and therefore perceived differently by society.

I guarantee that if a book named 'The Art Of Seduction' was rather named something like 'A Guide to Entering New Relationships'...hell my parents would probably have read it by now.

This forum is proof that a vast minority of people understand our little game; far less are capable of success and even further less people are able to repeat it.
LOL . . . Most people aren't capable of figuring anything out. Those "gurus" (at least the good ones) are NOTHING like 99.99% of the posters here in that they HAVE figured out a repeatable system for themselves. Most here will never figure it out. They can't. They weren't born to do this just as I wasn't born to dunk basketballs or develop a theory in mathematics.

"Be your F'ing guru" is a cute message found in Walt Disney movies and 1980's Kungfu movies but it doesn't apply here. For those who suck, follow the gurus, read the books . . . and give yourself a chance to at the very least hook up a few times in your life time.

The original poster was right on. I will rep him for his words of wisdom and truth. The guru's are mostly scam artists. They make you feel like shit. They don't have any answers. Every teenage boy with a computer can be a "guru". Just look at this site. Tons of teens acting as if they have the answers. The answer is within you. My advice is totally free and simple. TRAVEL. LANGUAGE SKILLS. Pay me nothing. Save your money and buy a ticket or a bunch of language books. Dump facebook and try a regional social networking site in a language that you must work on. I don't want a cent from any of you. I demand only that you don't blow your money on lame courses, books, or crazy hats.

90% of the game is LOCATION. Travel. Simple as that. Some regions have beautiful girls who are easy to chat with, dress to kill, and are willing to cook you something. I spent a few weeks in New York City this summer. HELL ON EARTH for girls. It was terrible. I would go gay in that place. There was some dude on here who once said there were beautiful girls in NYC. Uh, whoever that guy is he needs to actually travel. The Vice President of America said repeatedly that Kyiv has the best looking girls on earth and I agree. If you don't like Ukraine you should try Latvia or Estonia. Hey, try somewhere! I am just tossing suggestions out. The idea is to get out and LIVE. Travel and find your comfort zone. Once you find it you will feel like you have a bounce in your step. It isn't fake. It isn't manufactured. It is the real thing.

BTW, I would follow the advice of Disney before I followed the advice of feminine guys who wear makeup and fuzzy hats.

^^
I agree that most gurus = scammers. You take guys out enough times and there's NO WAY in HELL, that you can't figure out that most people just can't do this. It's just who they are. Creepy guys are just creepy. They can't seem to lose it. Guys who give girls weird vibes are just weird. They can't shake it. I don't think seminars or books can help guys like this . . .

But who knows? Maybe there is that 1 guy in 100 who'll find themselves and their place in the World through some study. Perhaps some kids already have it in them but are missing a few points. Either way, you just never know until you got through with it.

And hey . . . I know that you found happiness with your permanent sex tour to a 3rd World country (this is the ONLY thing you've written since you've joined) but don't you think that your "ONE advice" is better suited for sites that cater to 60 year whore mongers? Seriously . . . your posts are funny to read once in a while but I think I wrote that you are redundant more than 100 posts ago. Little has changed.

I agree with your "one advice". (although probably not for the same reasons you suggest) You guys have to get out more . . . travel . . . live life . . . Once you figure it out, it won't matter where you are in the World.

i will tell you this being from new york it is tough women here are all about money and status they are not like women from other places

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Im on my G-mac s**t so put that ho on the squad

You do not need a community or anyone to have fun.

This is true. Some guys just won't ever get it. Just live your life normally. Why do you need to value some random guys words more than you value your instinct on how to live your life and what to do?
This is false my friend. This is not business. This is nothing more than going out and talking to girls. And if the girl likes you--and you like her, then it's done. Where's the theory in that? Why overcomplicate "boy likes girl, girl likes boy"?

I guess? I did go through a lot to reach this point. Mental breakdowns, emotional breakdowns, tearing away my ego, feeling like shit, ect. And yeah I did have inspiration--Who I was 7 years ago. That's who I want to be again.

You are gold. I like you.
You're right, nobody needs game. This community has been brainwashed into thinking they need it.

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I'm addicted to facing my fears.

I went to PMZ last year in NYC. I was very fucked up and I managed to do fine . . . This is all bullshit. Hang in there. Keep going out.

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I'm addicted to facing my fears.

kasabi, with all due respect I have to say that I reckon your statement is absolute bullshit man.

Everyone has it in them. In the same way that everyone on planet earth has the ability to become successful in business (yes they do), same go's for becoming good with women. Its all down to your belief system mate, which FORTUATELY we all have the ability to develop and change.

Most people just dont KNOW this. They dont BELIEVE they can, but they most certainly have the potential. It has nothing to do with being born with it (yes a requirement to get to where Jordan is today may have required him to be born with his height, but being good with women does not require being 6ft 6 does it).

Also, there are PLENTY of men out there with the same physique as Jordon, but why didnt they make it? the difference between those men and Jordan is Jordan's mentality and belief system (this is fact, he thinks big, he is the Donald Trump of basket ball). Difference between trump and other businessmen? he is not born with anything special or 'gifted', he has changed his belief system to be able to think big. And he did this by reading/studying countless books on other successful business men, same go's for Richard Branson...they were 'nothings' once upon a time. They simply developed themselves, they are not genetically superior.

People have no idea what they are capable of until they start pushing themselves out of their comfort zone (which many simply CHOOSE not to do) and making a firm decision to stop at nothing until they achieve what they want to achieve will get them there (without doubt!).

I may have babbled on here a bit but i found your comment to be extremely close-minded and limiting.


David,
1. It is like business to a degree my friend...in the sense that it involves influence. Being able to influence requires certain actions/skills to be acquired, simple as that (and influence is not a bad thing, do not confuse this with manipulation.). Good people skills = influence. In business, in relationships, you name it.

2. You know yourself its not a simple as 'if the girl likes you--and you like her, then it's done'. Why do you think you're doing better now with women than you ever did before? You telling me that understanding human female psychology does not help in terms of interacting with women? I dont want to objectify women here and make interacting with women sound systematic, but down to its very core it is (not an exact science, but there are do's and dont's which will either repel or attract women,simple as that). Go up to a strange women and touch her breast...what do you think will happen? Well you wouldnt try this as you'd probaly get your head taken off. You ask where the theory is? This in itself is a THEORY. You have just been taught this from a young age so you take this knowledge/rule for granted. Now why are theories that assist us in being more successful with women any different. Not touching a strange womens breast is already something that you would NOT do in order to be better with women. So how does this differ from other 'rules' that PU promotes? the only difference is that not many men KNOW about these rules/concepts. Just because they are not well known, does not mean they are all bullshit. Get my drift?

Why do men that understand social dynamics and female psychology do better with women, have more FUN with women etc? because they UNDERSTAND what women want, how and why they react the way they do, and what makes them tick. Some guys were not fortunate enough to grow up with women in their lives, some come from small towns etc. These skills, if learnt could change the lives of men like this. And they have, 1000's of them. So do not tell me for a second that its about 'if the girl likes you--and you like her, then it's done'. Youre making out as if we have no choice, that we cannot better ourselves, and that everything in life is left to up to chance. Remember women only react based on our actions.

Who determines whether youre going to get that girl of your dreams, or whether youre just going to settle for what ever comes your way (like most guys do)....YOU DO. Either settle for 2nd best...or strive to get BRILLIANT at every single f*cking thing that you do in life. And that includes people skills. PU is nothing more than developing and enhancing people skills, but specifically focusing on interacting with females.

I like RSD's material, but I've always disliked how they brainwashed all their students into hating the rest of the PUA community as a means of marketing.

Genuine understanding inevitably leads to compassion, not hate.