the problems that i realised were as follows

1)some opinion openers are completely random and just out of the blue in a casual situation - wat would you recommend

2)clubs are so loud that any complx convos are impossible, wat do u do as you cant ask them to a quieter place b4 you have approached and opened (which seemed impossible to do)

3)how to keep interest after an opener and possible game...

4) even when the opinion openers worked the converstaion usually just faded away with lack of intererst/attraction or wateva as i didnt know how to establish some kinda of hook.

lots of things dont seem natural in chatting up a woman in some of these ways in relation to the loud, energetic SPAM inside. i would love some feedback on this please...

wat do you suggest?

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Pascal.

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Frame can help as well as your energy level. If you're in the right frame of mind for the situation and you have high energy you'll be more interesting. I don't do anything but dancefloor game in loud places, but it's not too tough to pull form the dancefloor to somewhere quieter after dancing a bit.

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