indeed, canned game is good at first, it's like the first contact with this world.
What peopple have to understand that is not about the number of chicks u fucked, it's about what u gained from it, and that is experience.
I've been a Pua a long time, similar to u impact, i shared the same passion of understanding women, and wanting to play with their mids.
I wanted to learn their secrets,their thoughts, to understand them, drawn like a lil fly to a flame, i got burned time after time, until i realised that there is more then canned lines, games,tehniques, it's an emotion game, it's a waiting game, and for u to win that u need to better urself each and evry time, u need info,u need practice,u need to use what u have best to beat them, and u need sneakyness.
No matter how good u look, no matter what car or how much money u got, if u dont have confidence and patience,and will power, u will lose .
Nowdays women, are evolveing, it's no longer a man's world, sure u can pick up easily, but where is the chalange...the chalange is within u...
We have a tendancy to evolve, we go to gyms, we make money, we practice contact sports, those give us the tools, build up our character, define us as men, as competitors, boost our courage...and we do that only driven by our primordial goul,perpetuation of our genes, sex

What has that got to do with us, wel it's simple, evry fledgling pua, looks for mentors, who are these mentors...peopple with more experience, peopple that found a way to evolve, or cheat the frustrations that they have...
We can't say who's better,because we have different gouls, u see at first, i wanted sex...after 50 fucks i got bored...i was using canned material back then,so i reorinted myself towards flashing out, and found myself that i didnt have enought money to do that...so i started to earn money, because i wanted a nice watch, a better car, better clouthes and so on...and ended up pretty wealthy, in the process.
Because i needed money i learned how to earn money, how to build up cash flows, investments, and so on.
That lead to onother thing, development of imagination, self improvement, thru education...I evolved.
And so did my game, i started to make new skeams, new tehniques, and so on...i started thinking instead of listening...and therefor i evolved...
Later on i got bored of this, and started to seek really smart women, u know those that shut u down, those that used to see thru my game...that dont fall for lines, those u need to have that special spark to actualy notice that u exist...
My game became something, of a personal chalange,and not only in picking up,but in whole my life...
It changed me, it was the engine that drove me to my full potential...


Until one day, when just like impact i saw the big picture, it's not the game that u lack, it's the will to evolve, to better urself in each and evry way...
We work just like dogs, we need stimulies to do something, and for man those are the women...KEEP THE GAME IN YOUR LIFE, u dont need all these bulshit lines, u need urself, u need to better urself.


Who's the best u ask?That could be u, it is and open competition after all...
How do we determine,who's the best, simple,the one that evolves the most...
Dont fall for those shit says,how many did u fuck?, cause my brother will beat u to it...he's a whore addicts,yeah u heard it right, he is addicted to pussy, he has no game whatsoever, and he doesnt need it either,he thinks that fucking is just another need of the body, like eating and drinking and breathing...u get the picture
Think free, and u will see, all u need is confidence, and an open mind, try different things, mix them up, mend them to ure personality,grow.
Keep ur head up, and ur mind clear, search it within u and u will find that the best teacher is u.


Best of luck

Dave I've met Tyler, i know him quite well, I like his work too, and i think hes a very sharp, smart individual. I'm in no way saying his work is in any way unsuitable. All im saying is that we are used to the main cannon of everything, which basically means, pickup dogma. We don't dispute we just obey, THIS OR THAT IS THE BEST, etc.. that has to stop. There are so many individuals coming out with unique things and we just disregard it for the sake of our utter blindness and stupidity.

Gevaudun is on the dead center of the ball!

Sheep thinking doesn't get you better in this world, let alone with women!

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I have to agree with Gevaudun and Impact. I haven't been in this community for as long as they have (nor do i post much ), but I noticed the truth in what they're trying to say.

My game used to be really based around MM which forced me to use canned lines. However, I strayed towards the Natural path because I realized that living your life constantly reminding yourself to force a persona as your actual personality (example, "become Mystery") was complete bullshit. I didn't want to become someone else, I wanted to be myself. So, I decided to approach PUA differently. I look at my personality and how I interact with others, decide on good and bad aspects, then improve.

I'm not hating on MM or methods with canned lines since they're good starters. Hell, I still keep the ACS concept in mind. But what comes out of my mouth and how I act, it's all me not a wannabe Mystery.

just copy things that work for you ..... use what works for you , but never give up your personality etc. I totally agree using 100 % canned material is like giving up your personality.

at first MM was my first step, i used canned material etc but after a while i became more natural- dropped the canned stuff and just be myself.
Using any method does not reflect your personality.
After reading a few PUA books i threw myself on psychology studies out of interest. The use of MM and all that canned stuff bored me as wel becasue it doesn't convey who you really are.

Not any method- way - style will help, it's all about you - your inner game. It's all about confidence and patience indeed i totally agree.

When you stop listening and start thinking you will evolve , everyone has a mind of their own but it is you to decide if you use it or not. Not thinking but only listening to the outside is not mindfullness, your body is here but your mind is lingering somewhere else at this point your mind and body are not one and it's hard to work to your goals. BE concious of what you do and all your action, just simply be conciously aware that you are breathing in and out is already a proces.
as long as your not thinking- you are using your ego you are not your true self, mindfullness eliminates our ego. It's all the process of becoming aware.

''We work just like dogs, we need stimulies to do something, and for man those are the women...KEEP THE GAME IN YOUR LIFE, u dont need all these bulshit lines, u need urself, u need to better urself. ''

it's even possible to do without woman... you actually don't need anything as long you don't trick yourself into needing it. There is no outside action or factor that determines the outcome/ result . Everything is from you , your inner - some people call it the law of attraction - i call it being yourself no matter what and stay focused and dedicated to all your goals.

The game is not about gaming girls, alot of people think this at start. It's all about gaming yourself - it's about developing your inner self, you just need to realize this. When you create succes , confidence in your life things start to change.

Most people don't realize it and hide behind this method or canned material to social calibrate, you should see it like a smoke screen where only you can look through. after a while the smoke will disolve you don't need that smoke screen because the smoke doesn't really show what's really there.

Rather see it like a mirror with smoke between you and the mirror - it takes a while to disolve but when it dissolve do you really have the courage to see what's there ?

Fucking solid Impact!

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Impact, I have a few complaints about your diatribe:

1. You insist that "being yourself" is the one and only bit of advice to attaining whatever the goal is that people set when they read these posts. I completely agree. 100 %. The problem is that you contradict yourself by then insisting that your advice, and only your advice is to be held as the truth. So by dredging on about it, you are trying to convince people of "your way", which isn't exactly backing up your theory of being yourself. Be yourself. Read what others say, and decide yourself what you find to be the truth. Make your own decisions, and do not comply with those who try to force their theories down your throat. Agree with me, cool. Don't, cool. Just follow the path you think will help you become the person you want to be. And that person you want to be, will, and I promise this, be you.

2. The structured game is not complete bullshit. I think of it this way. Many people who come here are probably coming here because they have been burnt in their attempts to "score with women." I believe that openers and other "canned" material are simply tools. Can you use them word for word? Sure. Must you? No. Take it as you see fit. If people get burnt when trying to obtain the affection or whatever it is they are looking for from females, then it could be seen as a fire. The structured material is giving you tools of protection against getting burnt again and again. Firemen don't run into a fire in their birthday suit. They wear a helmet, fire proof suit, boots, and carry a hose or ax or whatever. Well, when trying to not get burnt, having tools to help you isn't a bad thing. Then eventually, with some success, you won't get burnt as much. The fire that used to burn you is slowly going out. Take off the helmet because it's not that big of a fire anymore. Don't lose your suit or boots because there is still the chance to get burnt, but the chances are declining. With enough success, you will be able to take everything off. Then it will just be you. And there won't be a fire anymore.

3. Kind of a personal complaint, but you stated that you considered yourself a perfectionist. You have many spelling and punctuation errors. Not exactly a perfectionist.

4. You repeat a lot. You are just rewording your original theory over and over again. We are all intelligent people. State your point and move on. The repetitive nature comes off very forceful. Almost like a narcissistic alpha male.

5. You discard this forum, then plug your e-book? Come on man. If people want to read your e-book then state your beliefs and theories and let them choose. Don't discard other people's beliefs and theories just to bolster your own.

My opinion is to read whatever you want on here. Don't take any theories as an absolute truth. Do females respond better when opening with a question? I believe so. And in early stages, it's the simplest way. Most females won't refuse to answer a question or opinion. If all they do is answer it, then kinda slump away, okay...they still talked to you. Take the positives from everything you try. All in all Impact is giving you the bottom line of it all. Being yourself and being happy and obtaining everything you want is the end all. The path you choose is your own. Structured material or just trial and error with your own ways. It doesn't matter, just get to where you want to be. Don't become a robot if you choose the path of structured, but just take a little bit here and there are MAKE it your own. There's no stage one, two, three, four, and then you're a master. You are already a master, you just need to bring it out.

I hope this was helpful. And if not, then by all means, go write that I suck on a bathroom stall. I won't be offended. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. Just offering a differed outlook than Impact.

And finally, Impact don't see this as an attack. I just signed up today because I was compelled to respond to something for the first time. I admire what you're saying because it portrays an extremely positive message. I just didn't agree with how it was delivered.

I'm going to address the above real quick...
I have to stand back on that one, unfortunately from what I see, people rarely ever hit the "go" mark. Once they do, they end up encountering allot of failures and they just give up. There is no firm collective positive psychology behind their actions, and that's not even considered as a avenue to deal with these social issues! For the once who make it, (by that I mean successfully apply the material) and its generally a very few bunch of people... you can just see in their eyes, that they've lost touch with their humanity, and are like social robots! You can look at any videos or even go meet them!
Or someone who genuinely cares for the well being of everyone. Now, If everyone around you was turning into a mindless automaton, wouldn't you try, and try again to get through to them? in a way which they understood? ie repetition and centering on their emotion? I have to assume certain people come from certian backgrounds, and my post woulnd't make sense otherwise.. As always when you appeal to a certain sub genre of people, that appeal may be weakened by another. That's fair! Bottom line is, I care, so that's the approach I've taken to get the right "select group" of people to listen. I understand your new to the community, I've been here a while, and I've seen allot, and my view point and actions reflects that!
English is my fourth spoken language, in the order of 1-4, its the last 4. But I'm getting there! I do have a writer at my disposal to deal with these issues for any official publication or work that I release or make. This is a forum after all... the idea is more important then anything else.. Nice low blow though!
I'm not discarding anyone's beliefs, its voicing my opinion, and its my post, so I'm free to do just that.
I insist in what I believe in, and I stand that its the absolute truth.
If you actually read the post you'll discover that it was in response to a earlier posted question, I don't plug my Ebook anywhere.. Do you see links directing you to certain websites? no
I find it mildly strange that someone who has just joined the forum, comes out with such a vast opinion on women and dating! How about settle in, try out the material, see where it gets you then come talk to me!
Again.. this is a forum, not a "whos right or wrong match", delivery was aimed at a specific group of people, in a certain mind set, in order to get through to them as directly as possible. Again I understand how it may come off to others, so try to see it from my stand point if you can. As far as your feelings are concerned.... again you are most welcome to challenge any discussion that I make. After all the whole idea, and fabric behind a forum is discussion, resolve, ideas, and learning for everyone involved.

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Like you said, this is simply my opinion. I'm not new to this, not been in as long as you have though. Just never really felt the need to add anything. I just read and interpret. I generally don't try to give advice. I was speaking from my experience and experience with others I have encountered. I will admit I was harsh on the perfectionist part (didn't know it wasn't your first language. I murder my French every time. Apologies for that.) It's just the one thing I hate about this forum is the idea that alot of people who post in here come off with such a "I know everything and I know exactly what to do" type of attitude. I definitely sounded off beyond what I intended. The animosity from all the others I've read kind of built up. Didn't mean to attack but am really getting sick of the "I know everything" vibe. People need to lay out their ideas and beliefs as pointers and not as absolute truths. Friendly disagreement on views.

I find it best to stick to what you believe in and try to get others to see that, when they do they will come around. Don't worry about the forum, its a open place where people lay out their views on the table! Some will come off insistent or knowing, but that's most likely because they are applying to people who are seeking that trait. It's probably a good indicator then, that the post written isnt catered for everyone.

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