Striving to become the best and striving to become perfect are two different things entirely. One is attainable, one is not. One will make you feel like a million bucks, even if you aren't quite there yet because you know you're getting there, the other will constantly leave you in a state of disappointment in yourself.

So you're telling me that if I strive to be perfect I will feel disappointment? Are you kidding? Think of it as a test of some sort if you get 100/100, would that be considered perfect? Would you be happy? You better happy otherwise you should see a psychiatrist.

You are right, the best and the perfect are two different things. The best just means that you are on top in relation to everyone else. While if you are perfect, you would be unbeatable, you won't lose. People can be perfect along side you but they will never be better or worse then you. So, how can you tell me that I shouldn't strive to be perfect.

Not only that, when you look at this entire forum topic. The "Natural" are considered perfect in that they don't need canned material to pick up women. Thus, they are considered perfect because they do it without thought.

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Why is the Rhum gone?!

I honestly don't think you can be perfect, and i don't think people can be co-perfect. Perfection means there is absolutely nothing you can do any better, and that just never ever seems to be the case. Maybe in a human made scale system, such as a test or video game, where there are bounds set at a certain point. But in real life, where there aren't bounds set, perfection is not attainable.

As for whether or not you should try to 'become perfect' that is certainly debatable. I think the meaning was something like, if perfection is impossible to obtain, then you shouldn't try to become something you can never become. The way i took it, the real message to the post i took was that you should do what you love, what you have a passion for, and never compromise that or try to become something you can't.

Sort of like, it's not the end that matters, it's whether or not you enjoyed the ride. And i think he's saying that you should do whatever 'ride' your going to enjoy the most

Ex. your goal in going for a hike isn't to get to the end, it isn't to be done with the hike. If you took the hike its probably because you enjoy hiking. You enjoy the path.
Do what you love and enjoy doing it.

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For me life is continuously being hungry. The meaning of life is not simply to exist, to survive, but to move ahead, to go up, to achieve, to conquer.


Johnny Chase

I would sum up a naturals confidence as an unwaivering faith regardless of results.

There are certain things some people have this level of 'natural' confidence about... for me one of those is the conviction that I am excellent with women... this is simply an unwaivering faith... there is nothing that any person or group of people can say or do to make me believe otherwise... Its simply not possible.

Mu reaction in my mind when an interaction doesnt go well with a woman is the instant thought that if she's like that she doesnt deserve me anyway. If (and this has happened) I go on some sort of streak where I have several 'poor' interactions over the course of weeks or months say even with as high as 50% of the women I talk to... my reaction is "The world has gone mad, there must be something in the water thats making these girls suck."

Now I think we can all see where the problems for a natural could potentially arise... say if you developed some horrible habit and didn't think that perhaps something has going wrong with you... but then again, unbelievable levels of confidence can compensate for an awful lot.

is being present the same as being confident ?

Fake it til you make it.

I'm not a expert PUA but when I'm on I know it.

Approach anxiety - Sure - from time to time.

Weak opening - Uh, Yeah

Failure to close - Definitely.

Does that mean that I don't have Natural Game. No! From what I was reading it's all about confidence. And I have that. The key is keeping it up. So if you aren't gaming be excited about something else. For me it's working out when I'm not out. But when I'm out it's about having a good time with my friends...and hopefully something good happens.

If you ask me there is no difference between being a PUA, being a great guy with game, and having Natural Game. It's all about living in the moment.

Party on Wayne.

Fake it til you make it.

I'm not a expert PUA but when I'm on I know it.

Approach anxiety - Sure - from time to time.

Weak opening - Uh, Yeah

Failure to close - Definitely.

Does that mean that I don't have Natural Game. No! From what I was reading it's all about confidence. And I have that. The key is keeping it up. So if you aren't gaming be excited about something else. For me it's working out when I'm not out. But when I'm out it's about having a good time with my friends...and hopefully something good happens.

If you ask me there is no difference between being a PUA, being a great guy with game, and having Natural Game. It's all about living in the moment.

Party on Wayne.

Someone once said to me, "Practice makes perfect, but if no one is perfect, then why practice?
I truly believe that no one is perfect, we all make mistakes, we all tell lies, we all cheat sometimes (whether it be on our diets or our partners or tests) it happens. But this imperfection is what keeps things interesting. If we new we could not fail, that no matter what we did, that we would succeed in anything we tried, how long until we got bored of doing it. Sure it would be amazing to be able to pick up and sleep with every girl we met the night we met them, but lets get real guys, thats just not ever gunna happen. And if it did happen, I really think we would be more unhappy with ourselves than when we are on a cold streak. Think about it, how great does it feel to be at a bar, open a HB 9.5 and instantly get IOI's, recognize her body language, feel that she is into you and get her number at the end of the night. It doesnt happen all that often for me, but when it does, wow you feel invincible. If this happened everytime i opened a set, we would just stop trying there would be no fun in the game anymore. The fear of rejection, the uncertainty about how the night is going to go is what makes game fun, without it, we are just cheap whores.
So no i dont think we should be striving to be perfect, striving to be happy is what we should all be doing. Get to a point where we feel comfortable with ourselves in any situation, and have the confidence to be at ease in any social circle.

Thats nice but no one can or ever will be perfect as everyone has their faults.

amen brother. ditto

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climbing the naturalism continuum

i joined this forum mostly to find like minded people when it comes to girls. i know too many lads who havent gota clue. i have to say i like ur outlook and its definitely true that if you enjoy ur lifestyle and have something better to do if something is currently going pear shaped, you are sorted. do not confine yourself.
diversify
change state
progress
learn

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i like that. reality= super tight, flawless and solid. reality= they all want me, if they dont ill move on because she doesnt feel worthy of me. poor girl.

confidence is an emotional state AND a personality trait.

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No lie this just answered a big question i have had in my life recently with school and what i want to do with my life, thanks for posting you just made a difference in my life and in the world. I will continue on and not forget to pay it foreward


thanks again revolver

Great post! I have been an athlete all my life and couldn't be more confident when I'm on the court. Unfortunately it took me a few years to use that confidence on girls, but once I did its been working great and I havnt looked back since.