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Well, even on dating websites I've tried every possible trick or routine, that I've found here or elsewhere and got no replies.
Still "whazzup bb. wanna chat?" with a good looking guy's picture does the magic.
Get off the keyboard and go meet women in real life. Of course your "tricks" and routines arent going to work online. You probably have a shitty picture, a boring profile, an unimaginative introduction, and a miscalibrated routine you're using. If it wouldn't work for you in field, it's not going to work for you online.

Especially with the really hot girls, who have 40,000 guys emailing them every second because unlike in real life, there's no AA online so everyone does it.

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as long as you're stylish and well-groomed, how handsome your face is does not matter.
true story, about a year ago when i was super afc, i used to rely on my looks to get girls. and i think i'm god's gift to women, in my opinion. but my game was lacking.
there was this one guy who was fat, ugly, didn't do well in school, not even fresh clothes. he had the biggest crush on my girlfriend. he wasn't considered one of the cool guys. but guess what, my hb9 girlfriend broke up with me for the dude.
the guy had charisma, confidence, and was comfortable with who he was. it all comes down to inner game. this dude's inner game told him that he could have any girl he wanted. and at the end of the day, the pretty boy was left in the dust. this dude really did have more game than me. the girl herself even admitted that she doesn't care about his looks, that looks aren't what matter and that she loves him for way more than that. so when people say that being good looking matters i have first-hand experience that looks don't matter. i learned a HUGE lesson and i had an epiphany. that's why working on inner game and self-improvement is your best tool.
the hot girl dumped the pretty boy for the guy with more confidence and game. end of story.


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I was feeling quite down with myself earlier actually, but its always great to read comments by guys who have given up. You want to know why? Because it makes me realise how stupid such a mindset is.

At the end of the day, I always think this. What is the true meaning of life, true to every organism humanity shares this planet with, whether its other men, insects, birds or even plants and bacteria? Well its reproduction, right?

Having success with attractive women, reproducing etc is not a privelige, its a right! Got that? Its like that ridiculous statement "She's out of my league" What!? Why!? Because she's physically attractive? I never understand this as it suggests to me that these men only will date ugly girls because they're not good enough for the pretty ones.

Also back to a previous post about rock stars that have celebrity friends. Not neccessarily. A lot come from poor backgrounds and are the lowest of the low. They just have an energy and self CONFIDENCE about themselves. This is part of the reason why they're stars. In music you often have to start in shitty clubs and work your way up and these guys get celebrity friends after HARD WORK, but also confidence backing up their music to make them stars. And as a result of confidence they were also good with women.

Oh as a side note, I have a friend who is a short, fat, ugly-ish middle aged death metal fan. Hardly the stereotypical ladies man, yet his past girlfriends have included a Hispanic beauty, a Norwegian hottie (he's shown me pics) and others who I can't remember right now, but they've all been hot.

So quit your whinging and actually grow some balls!

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Looking good helps a lot.

I know from personal experience.

I can just sit on a bench with a buddy and I have chicks coming up to me like "Hey you look like this one famous (insert person) guy"

Or etc typical flirting.

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At the end of the day, I always think this. What is the true meaning of life, true to every organism humanity shares this planet with, whether its other men, insects, birds or even plants and bacteria? Well its reproduction, right?
To be fair, not everyone wants to reproduce...


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You don't need to take it quite so literally. :wink:


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Here it is from a woman's point of view:

YES looks do matter, it is a fact no matter how you want to accept or deny it.

I have guy friends who even though I have told them about the game they have zero interest in it or learning it. Why? They are the stereotype good looking guys : they go out and girls throw themselves at them, in fact I would probably go as far as saying alot of them have probably never had to approach girls before. This is purely a reaction based solely on looks and if they were 5ft 2 balding and 300 lbs it is unlikely they would have the same reaction!

So of course looks matters: there are guys who are drop dead gorgeous who all the girls are lusting after as soon as they walk through the door....and there are guys who aren't the stereotypical hunks that girls will be attracted for another reason other than looks.

The guys who fall into the first category are a BIG minority. Let's face it: there are beautiful girls every where you look every time you leave the house, yet for women these Adonis type men arent everywhere you look every time you leave your house! In fact, most girls I know complain there are never hot guys when they go out.....think about it....how many times have you or your guy friends complained to have never seen one hot girl after being out many times?? Chances are rarely to never!!

Women compromise, most girls look beyond the surface. How many times do you see guys who arent particularly attractive with a hot girl? All the time - look at the media / celebs for instance. Yet if you think about it the other way, it is unlikely to see a super hot guy with an unattractive girl. I have a number of hot girl-friends and at times I have seen them with guys who arent the best looking. Alot of times they say, well he makes me laugh....or...he makes me feel good about myself....or he is such a wonderful person....whatever. Don't forget, beauty is in the eye of the beholder also! Girls have all sorts of different tastes: I know a HB8 who likes guys with a bit of a beerbelly : she says its cuddley and he feels lovely to snuggle up to at night!

Ok so facts: if you are going out purely to find one night stands, then sure, the Adonis type guy will probably seem to have an unfair advantage, as after all, it is only for one night of lust. But if you are talking about going on dates, something a bit longer, you will find the Adonis type men don't hold out much there. Most times the girl will start complaining that there is nothing more to him than his pretty exterior which they will soon get bored of.

Don't give up, just be yourself. Most women do and learn to look past the surface of just the whole looks things. It's like a job application: you will probably send off 50 forms and only get back a few that will invite you in for an interview, which only a few will offer you the role. So just look at it the same way: you will approach loads, some will reject but some will also show an interest. Good luck


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Girls are crazy. I don't know if everyone experienced this too but I will tell you my story. So I go out, enter a place and girls are not really paying attention to me. I start dancing with my friends and just have fun. After half an hour some girls want to join our party. They join, we dance together and make some pictures together. All the other girls see this and suddenly all the girls in the place keep looking at me and my friends for the whole night. Suddenly picking up a girl is extremely easy. This just makes no sense. Me, as a man, I enter a place and look at the girls. Within the first minute I already know which girls I am interested in and which not. No matter how many men they will dance with later on that night, this is not going to influence my interests. I go up to one of the girls I like. If besides her looks, she is interesting and has a decent level of intelligence and I get the feeling she might like me back, I try to meet up with her in the future. If she only is good looking but shallow and dumb I cut and leave the conversation. So honestly, isn't my way of chosing a girl more logical than the way girls try to chose a guy ?

I also think the fact that there are so many hot women but not so many extremely hot men is a clear indication that looks matter less for women. Women are extremely beautiful because looks is almost the only thing men look at. For women, looks aren't that important. So the best way to reproduce for women is to look hot, and the best way for men to reproduce is some stuff like being funny, arrogant, cocky, ... because that is what women think of as attractive. If you are an extremely good looking guy but socially awkward, many hot women will blow you off. On the other hand a hot women but socially awkward can date an infinite amount of men. This is a simple application of the evolution theory of Darwin.

I think that an amount of men think looks are important because they are watching from their own viewpoint. They think looks are important because for them it is important that their girlfriend looks really hot. This is wrong. Women are different than men. One thing that I have noticed that is funny is how girls that want to date a guy even use dirty tactics in order to win the guy over. They try to make the guy jealous by inventing stories about other guys who are loving to date her but she isn't dating them because they want you and not the other guys. Women are just so different. That's why the PUA communtiy is a blessing for all these guys that have this fucked up image about the world. Nobody is saying looks doesn't matter but too a lesser extent. If you want to date a hot women, the PUA community gives you the tools. If you are not capable of keeping the hot woman than you are doing something wrong. Try to detect what you did wrong and avoid it in the future.


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Girls are crazy. I don't know if everyone experienced this too but I will tell you my story. So I go out, enter a place and girls are not really paying attention to me. I start dancing with my friends and just have fun. After half an hour some girls want to join our party. They join, we dance together and make some pictures together. All the other girls see this and suddenly all the girls in the place keep looking at me and my friends for the whole night. Suddenly picking up a girl is extremely easy. This just makes no sense. Me, as a man, I enter a place and look at the girls. Within the first minute I already know which girls I am interested in and which not. No matter how many men they will dance with later on that night, this is not going to influence my interests. I go up to one of the girls I like. If besides her looks, she is interesting and has a decent level of intelligence and I get the feeling she might like me back, I try to meet up with her in the future. If she only is good looking but shallow and dumb I cut and leave the conversation. So honestly, isn't my way of chosing a girl more logical than the way girls try to chose a guy ?

I also think the fact that there are so many hot women but not so many extremely hot men is a clear indication that looks matter less for women. Women are extremely beautiful because looks is almost the only thing men look at. For women, looks aren't that important. So the best way to reproduce for women is to look hot, and the best way for men to reproduce is some stuff like being funny, arrogant, cocky, ... because that is what women think of as attractive. If you are an extremely good looking guy but socially awkward, many hot women will blow you off. On the other hand a hot women but socially awkward can date an infinite amount of men. This is a simple application of the evolution theory of Darwin.

I think that an amount of men think looks are important because they are watching from their own viewpoint. They think looks are important because for them it is important that their girlfriend looks really hot. This is wrong. Women are different than men. One thing that I have noticed that is funny is how girls that want to date a guy even use dirty tactics in order to win the guy over. They try to make the guy jealous by inventing stories about other guys who are loving to date her but she isn't dating them because they want you and not the other guys. Women are just so different. That's why the PUA communtiy is a blessing for all these guys that have this fucked up image about the world. Nobody is saying looks doesn't matter but too a lesser extent. If you want to date a hot women, the PUA community gives you the tools. If you are not capable of keeping the hot woman than you are doing something wrong. Try to detect what you did wrong and avoid it in the future.


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I completely rely on looks when going for a girl.

If the girl is ugly in any way, I deny her even if her personality is completely amazing.

A girl has to be a 8 and above or I won't even consider it.

So looks DO matter, a LOT.

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Women are extremely beautiful because looks is almost the only thing men look at.
Actually I think the advantage most girls have is the ability to cheat to manifest supposed beauty. If a girl is unattractive, she could dye her hair, wear padded bras, underwear to suck her tummy / fatty bits, tonnes of make up, fake tan, fake nails, wear something that focuses on her one or two positive traits eg cleavage, whatever. Guys dont have that unfair advantage. Most girls who on a night out maybe an HB8...in reality when all the fakeness, "added-on-help" she is probably a HB6

I dont think that women are genetically more attractive. Just women have far more tools to cheat and get away with in the looks department. Sad but true!!


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Actually I think the advantage most girls have is the ability to cheat to manifest supposed beauty. If a girl is unattractive, she could dye her hair, wear padded bras, underwear to suck her tummy / fatty bits, tonnes of make up, fake tan, fake nails, wear something that focuses on her one or two positive traits eg cleavage, whatever. Guys dont have that unfair advantage. Most girls who on a night out maybe an HB8...in reality when all the fakeness, "added-on-help" she is probably a HB6


And then you complain why we dont call back after after hooking up on the first night
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Actually I think the advantage most girls have is the ability to cheat to manifest supposed beauty. If a girl is unattractive, she could dye her hair, wear padded bras, underwear to suck her tummy / fatty bits, tonnes of make up, fake tan, fake nails, wear something that focuses on her one or two positive traits eg cleavage, whatever. Guys dont have that unfair advantage. Most girls who on a night out maybe an HB8...in reality when all the fakeness, "added-on-help" she is probably a HB6


And then you complain why we dont call back after after hooking up on the first night
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people who say looks don't matter are morons

nowadays, looks are about 20 - 50% of the game to most women.

Hell, to give you an example, earlier this year, I went from 20% Body fat percentage (which looks ok on me cause I have a ton of muscle) to 8% Body fat (where I have six pack and a chiseled face)

I went from receiving very little female attention to now being greeted extremely warmly by every woman I talk to. I mean its F*cking night and day.


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think face is pretty important, i can tell difference between shades then take them off and see my dark circles yep its true


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