I wanted to share some openers that I tried yesterday with much success. I think they're original but either way...try em and see what you think.

Bad Boy Opener
PU: Can I get your ladies opinion on something?
HB: Sure
PU: This is serious, its life or death.
HB: Oooo, ok (smiles)
PU: No, seriously. Show me your serious face.
(after she does, start smiling and say "oh, your good at that" jokingly.

(This first part was actually taken from a video on youtube and its a nice touch for the kinda girl that you think will give you the goofy serious face-Heres my opener:

PU: So what is it about the "bad boy" that women find so attractive?
HB: Oooo, blah, blah, blah
PU: Well my best friend is the qunticential good guy and he likes this chick who is giving him total mixed signals. (Then you explain all the mixed signals such as calling him late at night when shes drunk(they love this one), going out on intimate dinners and dates, etc...but she wont return his calls all of the sudden. The topper is that she just started seeing this guy who is the qunticential bad boy. What advice would you give my buddy?

HB: Oh well he should definetly stop calling her and forget about it because shes obviously not interested, blah, blah, blah.

PU: So do you think they saying "good guys finish last" is true?

HB: A lot more BLAH

This set was field tested three times and was easily a 6-10 minute set depending on the number of girls in the set.

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I wouldn't go with the "why do girls always like bad boys". This might work for some girls, but by asking this, you are saying that you are not a "bad boy". Which, by conventional social standards, is lowering your value since girls tend to gravitate towards bad boys.

And by saying "why do nice guys finish last?" This makes it sound like you are complaining and lowering your status further since you are already "apparently jealous of of bad boys".

Not sure if that made sense, but ask if you have questions.

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Ask Tucker Max.

But to really answer:

Who do you most remember from 8th grade:The guy who played rec football and had the hottest girl in class as a GF,or the nice kid who always brought cookies and helped out in projects,but was otherwise ignored?

Get it now?

Field tested it and worked like a charm. Perfect Icebreaker and number close.
I used a bit of NLP to get through the problem of being linked to the "good boy" by simply referring to myself as the "Bad boy" (pointing at myself, playing for a few seconds with my collar) It then became a conversation of what traits in a Bad Boy are attractive (hint- more NLP) and how good boys can improve their chance with the ladies.

NLP would work, but did you display any other traits of a "bad boy" during the conversation? For this to work, since I have not field tested this one, I would expect it would do best with a lot of C/F and negging.

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oh, sure. Lots of CF. Example:
White Rose: SO what's a Bad Boy trait?
HB: Unexpected
White Rose: Oh, like this? (squeeze/ spank her ass, then not give a fuck about what she says)
I'm big on ass spanking, but you'll want to do this later on in the game when she's already warmed up to you. You don't want to get sued. What I usually do is roll a newspaper up and then lightly spank her, if she protests I simply hand her the newspaper and then duck away if she tries to hi me back. Wonderful technique at building sexual tension.

I came up with a similar opener a couple of months ago:

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Love the advice. Apollo, I see exactly what you mean. What I found almost accross the board is that the bad boy is only attractive because he is a smooth talker. Isnt The Game the same thing..being smooth? I even had a group of girls automatically call me the bad boy once they conceptualized that they bad boy was a smooth talker and I had just opened all of them effortlessley after I had witnesed a few AFCs try and open them and fail misserably. Women just really seem to like talking about this subject, and if you frame it like its about your friend, and your advice was for him to dump this bitch because you, yourself, never fall for a womans games, then you all of the sudden look like your a confident, in charge, guy. Also, after the girls have talked it through they usually all agree that the bad guy is a dick and they really only want a good guy...so if you look sweet and you can keep them interested...you should be in.. Just have some good loops to keep them pinned. Be ready for the women to spill their naiive guts and NEG them for being so gullible!

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I like it, but do agree that it would be tricky not to get labeled a nice guy. So after you pointed yourself out as the "bad boy" what would be some safe things to say, early on in your stacks, if they ask "oh you're a bad boy...why?"

I agree, once they've warmed up and some keno has escalated, then yeah, some spanking, hair tugging or a little forceful play would work nicely.