Hey guys,

I've been thinking about this a lot as it is a major sticking point SPAM for me.
I have been lucky twice so far and managed to sleep with two girls but these girls basically were really up for it as was actually meeting just for sex.

But now Im at the stage where im meeting girls for relationships and it gets to the point where i have them either at my house or their house in the bedroom and nothing happens because i dont know how to escalate.

I've got a few questions I'd like to ask..
say we're messing about in the bedroom play fighting etc and we make out on the bed for a while.. what next? do i start taking her top off without asking? do i ask her to? do i say something like "lets have sex"?

Sorry if it sounds newbieish its just confusing haha

Cheers

Just take it one step at a time, keep on progressing nice and slowly and logically, and don't stop until she gives you a clear signal. If there's no clear signal, default to progression.

I'll tell you how I did it with my last girlfriend for the first time.

She stayed over at my house on the stipulation that she could sleep in the guest bedroom. So she did that, and I went to my room, and we slept in separate beds all night. Totally AFC right? Not exactly... in China ASD is very finely tuned, and letting a girl know that you can control yourself and that you're not just about fucking her is a strong DHV.

So the next morning I got up about 8 and cooked french toast for us for breakfast. She was still asleep when I knocked on her door. She kinda mumbled something sleepily, so I let myself in. I told her I had made breakfast for us. She said she was still sleepy and wanted to stay in bed. So I hopped in beside her. Here's the really awesome part.

I lay down facing her, my face about 1 inch away from her. We stayed in exactly that position almost without moving for about an hour. You see, the whole game was that we were both pretending to be sleeping even though we were very clearly wide away due to the incredible sexual tension. And the whole time I was ever so gradually moving closer. After 10 minutes we were breathing directly into each other's mouths. After about 30 minutes our noses were touching. After about 50 minutes our lips were just barely brushing each other. Even then I maintained total control and held that position for another 5 minutes or so. Finally I moved in just another milimeter or so and our lips were pressed right against each other. This was the first time we had kissed btw. And we stayed like that, just moving our lips but with no tongue for another 5 minutes or so. I continued the progression ever so effing slowly like that, so that we hadn't actually had sex for about another hour after that. The sexual tension was unbelievable. It's one of the most erotic experiences of my life. But the point is that you just keep on going, ever so slowly, but just keep on going. If you move at exactly the right speed, you'll get her horny enough that she wishes you'll take the next step and it's a huge relief to her when you do. If you move too slowly or you just stop and wait for her to advance position herself, there's a good chance she'll lose interest. If you move too fast you'll trigger her ASD and get some hardcore LMR. So if you're unsure, go really slowly, but keep on going. If you think you can control yourself, barely moving, but always progressing ever so slowly, and not fuck her despite lying pressed up against her for 2 hours, you'll be ready to fuck any girl on Earth and blow any LMR right out of the water. It's all about your state; you are confident, you want to fuck her, you know that she wants to be fucked, and you're willing and able to move at her speed to make her comfortable and horny enough to do it.

db sorry =[

Yeahh i get what your saying, but i mean physical progression like when im making out with her, if there was a step phase which step would be next?

i.e.

Make out
Remove top
Remove pants

etc etc
how do I know she wants me to do these things?

well my man u gotta cover your bases makeout do some foreplay take of your shirt go under her shirt take off her shirt go under her pants take of her pants . Or just slap that hoe in that face and tell her to suck it@ HAh

hey what you wanna do is get her really horny, you can start by kissing her lips, neck, breathing intense on her neck and ear, touching her through her clothes, figure out what she likes, what turns her on, and keep doing that, take your shirt off and try taking hers, if she says no, punish her and stop doing the things that turns her on for a couple of minutes and start again, and try taking her top off again, if you have the patience you will get there...

and trust me if she's letting you kiss her and touch her, she wants you to fuck her, it's just that she doesn't want to feel wrong about it, if you show her you can be patient and understanding the situation will turn, and once you get her horny enough she will be the one asking you push-pull in the bed works as well as in the field

Thanks for the reply man thats real simple once the top comes off i know its easy from there on.. im confident:P

Im not too bothered if it happens or it doesnt.. if it does it does, if it doesnt then oh well plenty more:)

Yup, great advice.

Rough order of steps you could try:
1) Kiss mouth
2) Kiss the inside of her elbows (I know this sounds really strange but this is actually an erogenous zone. Just straighten out her arm and kiss her in the crook of the elbow. If this feels wierd to you at all don't try it, she'll sense the incongruence and get a bad feeling.
3) Kiss the neck, ear, and collar bone. At this point your hand should definitely be rubbing some ass big time.
4) Push up her shirt just a tad and kiss her stomach. Make sure to comment how great her stomach is =p
5) At this point most of the action is in your hands now. Move your hand on her ass down and in between her legs so that your finger tips are making contact with her crotch. This is a backdoor way to stimulate her clit that she won't be expecting or prepared for, so it's a great way to get her hornier and bypass her ASD.
6) Now go back to kissing her neck, ears, collar bone, and mouth, while moving your hand around to the front, but don't dive straight onto her crotch, instead rub her inner thigh but allow your thumb and index finger to gradually make contact and then increasing pressure with her crotch, then gradually work your way around so that your hand is fully cupping her crotch.
7) I'm a breast man big time so my next step at this point is usually to go up under her shirt with that hand and see if I can lose the bra before losing the shirt, which is kinda a sneaky backdoor way of bypassing her ASD, but I have run across a few girls that balk at this step because girls know what a big deal it is to a guy to get his hands on her breasts, so this step is risky. If she balks, you have to slow right down and punish her resistance, and then you're back at square one. So skip this step if the risk isn't worth it to you.
8.) Rather than removing the shirt, whether or not you got the bra off and a handful of breast, the real next step is to get your hand into her panties, but go slow of course. Just gradually work your fingers down there until you get to the moist part, then use that as lubrication by spreading it up onto her clit and fingering her. At this point most girls are horny enough for you to do anything at all to her from here, but if you want to avoid buyer's remorse and leave her with the best possible impression of your prowess in bed, don't go selfish just yet. Finger her to just the beginnings of that first orgasm before you start to take off her pants and panties. At this point her shirt is still on--believe me that's a good thing. Getting her shirt off does nothing for her; it's only for you (unless she happens to be a girl that can actually orgasm just from nipple stimulation--if anyone runs into one of those, send me her number!).
9) Once her pants are off, guide her hands down to your crotch area and let her take off your pants. She'll want you inside her so bad at this point she'll practically be ripping them off and then jamming you into her. OR, you can go down on her and give her oral. If she lets you do this, she has no excuse not to reciprocate =p
10) After you've inserted you can get her shirt off and out of the way.

The whole point of this sequence is that it's such a gradual procession, and even the steps that are major progressions, like the first time you stimulate her clit, are designed in such a way to bypass ASD by coming from an unexpected angle and coming together with a diversion such as ear nibbling and necking.

As you already know yourself, once you get the shirt off, it's no problem. The reason it's no problem after that is because removing the shirt is probably the single hardest step. That's why I skip it altogether until we're already having sex =p In my experience that sequence will bypass almost any LMR/ASD and leave her with the distinct impression that you a master in the bedroom.

You just gotta understand her mindset. A lot of girls don't necessarily go into the bedroom with the intention of fucking you 100%. Most girls go into the bedroom with an open mind and just kind of play it by ear. There a number of well ingrained 'alarms' that they are going to be watching out for, and if you run into one of those red flags before she's ready, you're gonna get ASD'd and LMR'd. Every one of those steps is designed to bypass the alarm at just the right time.

Happy fucking =]

There is no exact order or routine. It isnt robot sex. Be in the moment and enjoy yourself. She'll come along for the ride. Once you are making out start touching skin. Rub along her back, stomache, legs, whatever makes sense with the position you are in. More so, touch what you want. If you are enjoying her and excited she will enjoy it. Stop worrying about what she is thinking. If she enjoys the heavy petting just keep moving along. A lot of girls will start to pull back (anti slut defense). Either:1 be respectful and go back to minimal touching and kissing so she will want you to touch her again. 2 say you understand, get up, turn on lights, go on comp, just kill the mood. If she looks confused just say "I respect you and dont want to push things if you arent comfortable". That may even occur a few times over. I once did that about 4 times u till we had sex. Under no circumstance try and reason with her! Just react. Dont beg. (not that I think you do)

Just enjoy yourself and do what you want to her. If you are aroused she will be also. You sound like a nice guy and you dont want to be inappropriate. Nice girls love sex too. Thats how all our sweet moms made us (YUCK). Give her some good loving or she'll pick the other guy that is!

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