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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:46 am 
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Hey guys. Ive read pretty much everything there is to know about Mystery Method. Im really interested in getting to know RSD better, but i cant seem to find any books? Only thing i can find on the internet is the Blueprints Decoded which are audio cds and DVDs..

any suggestions of what to read and where i can get my hands on such material?


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RSD doesnt really have books. They mostly do DVDs and Audio CDs.

I would advise against following RSD super hardcore if you're not getting results right now. In other words, if you're not currently getting laid, hold off on RSD for the moment. You can peruse their stuff, but don't become a super fan just yet. RSD's stuff is REALLY, really good, but it's mostly advanced shit that wont make as much sense to you until you get some social experience under your belt.

For now, follow guys like the names at the top of this page. For me, Sinn's work has been some of the most influential material i've ever read.

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All right, thanks man.

Any suggestions for what to read? Like i said, ive finished everything mystery has got to offer.

Now that RSD is out of the question, should i read DDA's Double Your Dating before preceeding with anything else?


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It depends on what your strengths and weaknesses are and if you're more of a natural or a synthetic (non natural).

Assuming you're a synthetic like most of us, your best bet is to go out in field a ton, take a 1:1 or boot camp, and limit the amount of time you spend reading forum posts. Instead, go read blogs of guys who are good. All the "mpuas" featured here, plus guys like el topo, captain jack, bradp, and savoy. Feel free to peruse my blog as well. :)

As far as products that I like, Magic Bullets is really good. So is Juggler's old school ebook "how to be a pua" although i doubt you can find it anymore. It really depends on what you're looking for. No one product has the answer to everything.

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I just feel really stuck at the moment, and want to suck in more information.

I really liked what Mystery had to offer.. And yes i am a synthetic SPAM, and feel that i lack routines and openers and such. I have tried to come up with a few myself, but that isnt going too well, i dont have much experience out in the field.

Can you just give me a few pointers on what to read? like i said i feel really stuck. just tell me what to read lol!


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the game got me started, i think its a really good read and haas lots of ideas there im goin thru it highlighting all the usefull bits which are like: yea i feel it sounding natural and ties in with my character.

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I just feel really stuck at the moment, and want to suck in more information.

I really liked what Mystery had to offer.. And yes i am a synthetic SPAM, and feel that i lack routines and openers and such. I have tried to come up with a few myself, but that isnt going too well, i dont have much experience out in the field.

Can you just give me a few pointers on what to read? like i said i feel really stuck. just tell me what to read lol!
I just told you what to read. But don't even bother if you're not out in field. If you aren't going out, put the books down and do it. The material wont make sense otherwise.

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RSD is fine for noobs. I know plenty of guys who went straight into RSD material, have great success right from the off, are happier less weird people than the MM guys I know and have never learned a single routine.

In fact you can save yourself a lot of time by not learning crap loads of openers, routines and DHV stories by going straight to the natural / inner game stuff.

All routines do is make you believe you are not worthy, and need to act at being Mystery or whoever.


Although there are no RSD books yet, each of the instructors had a blog in 2008, and they all write articles for the RSD forum regularly.

www.naturaltim.com
www.alexattitude.com
www.ryanforreal.com
www.rsdnation.com

Mostly though you just need to be out there doing stuff as soon as possible.


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RSD is fine for noobs. I know plenty of guys who went straight into RSD material, have great success right from the off, are happier less weird people than the MM guys I know and have never learned a single routine.

In fact you can save yourself a lot of time by not learning crap loads of openers, routines and DHV stories by going straight to the natural / inner game stuff.

All routines do is make you believe you are not worthy, and need to act at being Mystery or whoever.


Although there are no RSD books yet, each of the instructors had a blog in 2008, and they all write articles for the RSD forum regularly.

www.naturaltim.com
www.alexattitude.com
www.ryanforreal.com
www.rsdnation.com

Mostly though you just need to be out there doing stuff as soon as possible.


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RSD is fine for normal, well adjusted, quasi-natural noobs. It's NOT fine for guys who were starting out like i did, having never held a girl's hand by the age of 20.

Maybe you know synthetics who got really good with natural game. But I've trainined thousands of students, and i've NEVER seen a synthetic get really good, really fast starting out with RSD or natural game. It's not that RSD or natural game is bad, it's just that it's called natural game for a reason. Because it's best suited for naturals.

That's not to say that pure MM is the answer either. But the vast majority of synthetic guys who are new to this need more structure and direction than RSD teaches. Don't get me wrong, I love their stuff, I just don't believe as an instructor that it's best suited for non-naturals.

Look at Tim. Tyler. Sinn. Mystery. Basically anyone well known who wasn't born a natural. How many of them got good by starting out with natural game?

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Off the top of my head Juggler, Zan, Gunwitch, all the nu-RSD guys.

The friends I'm talking about are guys who were fully socially inept (virgins at 30, too scared to ask directions when they really need them etc.).

You may have trained people, I'm pretty sure RSD have trained a shit sight more.

The natural / synthetic dichotomy does not describe reality. We are part of nature so anything we do is natural.

A definition of natural that is usefull is 'without affectation or constraint'. Anyone can be a natural it has nothing to do with how you learnt and everything to do with how you feel and behave.

Both types of game, natural and routine, get results, either can be learned by anyone no matter what stage they are at, only the former will make you a happier more rounded person.


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Pssst... i'll let you in on a secret. Tyler, Juggler, and Zan all still use routines. So does "flawless natural" Tim. Don't tell anyone though. :)

When I say that pure natural game doesn't work for the vast majority of synthetics just starting out, I'm speaking from firsthand experience coaching thousands of guys.

You're speaking from a sample size of 40 or 50 and 2nd & 3rdhand hearsay, not to mention that most of your evidence is tainted by bias and vested interests. With all due respect, this makes your claims statistically insignificant.

I have no vested interest in putting down natural game. That's 95% of what I use myself nowadays. I'm not even claiming to be right. I'm just giving a very informed opinion based on a very large sample size of evidence and collaboration among many of my peers.

Perhaps your friends are truly the exceptions and have gotten really good results from a short time with natural game. If so, congrats. It just doesn't match up with anything i've ever seen.

I'm not all that intent on turning this forum into RSDN. No disrespect to Tyler and the boys, but there's already an entire cult for those kinds of arguments.

This is my last post on the issue.

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Thanks for the hijack guys, lol.

Im not a 21 year old virgin. Im a 21 year old who is used to getting HB6s and HB7s, and i want to change that. If that does change your opinion on wether i should go RSD or not and wether it suits me or not.

Ill go out in the field first and try MM though, thanks. Thread over...


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natural game isn't having no game, so ofcourse they use routines ;)
Nothing wrong with them.

I think RSD is awesome for a guy like me, I was never horribly bad and watching blueprint blew my mind.

Sinn is great aswell, have checked some vids of him and his stuff is solid.

But the most important rule here is: Be your own guru.

Take what's relevant, discard what is not.

aaaand, don't be a fanboy ;)


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Pssst... i'll let you in on a secret. This ...
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I have no vested interest
... is bullshit. You make a living out of PU, so have a financial interest.

If you don't have the skill to teach people to be natural without first making them into creepy routine addicts and social manipulators, then that is where you fail.

Just because you can't do something doesn't mean it can't be done. I have seen it done.

I have no vested interest that would cause any bias. My only bias is towards not advising people to become creepy Mystery emulators, or emulators of anyone else for that matter. Why? Because it leads guys to have a terrible self image.

As well as the guys I've seen go from zero social skills to social awesomeness, I've also seen many guys using structured routine based game start to really hate themselves and eventually turn to natural game. In each case of the latter they have found it no easier and often harder to do than if they never filled their heads with all that self hating manipulative nonsense.

If the aim is to get naked, only a retard would start by putting on more clothes.


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anything David Deangelo . im currently reading Double your dating.


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