I personaly think that looks do matter. The PUA community isn't really honest when it comes to this. They just want to sell their stuff. It is obvious that very good looking guys have less problems dating girls than less attractive guys. On the other hand, looks are not everything. I don't think you should see the whole PUA theory as a bunch of rules that you follow and at the end of the algorithm you will for 100 % lay a HB10. But what the PUA communtiy does is give you a method to get the best out of yourself.

For years I was scared to approach women. First of all there was this AA I had. Secondly, I didn't had any clue how to start a conversation with a woman I didn't know. The PUA community provided me a way to start a conversation and thanks to that my AA was enormously reduced. After opening, what do you say ? I had no clue about that but again the PUA community provides material to start an interesting and fun conversation making the women interested in you. I think that is how you have to see the PUA community. First you have no idea how to start a conversation and how to be interesting. The material provided by the PUA community helps us to solve these problems. Therefore we become more interesting beings with more succes than previously which gives us a boost in self confidence. By boosting our self confidence we become more attractive by women which again increases our self confidence untill we reach a certain equilibrium point. For me this equilibrium point is the point were you should be to get the most out of yourself.

Also, I am 100 % convinced that if you get the best out of yourself, you can get laid by HB10's. But you are going to get burned a lot of times. The better looking you are, the less you are going to get rejected. But rejection shouldn't be a problem. If there is 1 thing that you should never forget from all the things I ever read in the PUA community, than it is the following "People who get rejected the most are the ones getting laid the most.". That is true. You should be able to handle rejection. I know that it hurts but if you want to become a real PUA and succesfull with many women than you should know how to deal with it. If you can't handle being rejected by HB10's, then focus on HB8's.

I personaly think that looks do matter. The PUA community isn't really honest when it comes to this. They just want to sell their stuff. It is obvious that very good looking guys have less problems dating girls than less attractive guys. On the other hand, looks are not everything. I don't think you should see the whole PUA theory as a bunch of rules that you follow and at the end of the algorithm you will for 100 % lay a HB10. But what the PUA communtiy does is give you a method to get the best out of yourself.

For years I was scared to approach women. First of all there was this AA I had. Secondly, I didn't had any clue how to start a conversation with a woman I didn't know. The PUA community provided me a way to start a conversation and thanks to that my AA was enormously reduced. After opening, what do you say ? I had no clue about that but again the PUA community provides material to start an interesting and fun conversation making the women interested in you. I think that is how you have to see the PUA community. First you have no idea how to start a conversation and how to be interesting. The material provided by the PUA community helps us to solve these problems. Therefore we become more interesting beings with more succes than previously which gives us a boost in self confidence. By boosting our self confidence we become more attractive by women which again increases our self confidence untill we reach a certain equilibrium point. For me this equilibrium point is the point were you should be to get the most out of yourself.

Also, I am 100 % convinced that if you get the best out of yourself, you can get laid by HB10's. But you are going to get burned a lot of times. The better looking you are, the less you are going to get rejected. But rejection shouldn't be a problem. If there is 1 thing that you should never forget from all the things I ever read in the PUA community, than it is the following "People who get rejected the most are the ones getting laid the most.". That is true. You should be able to handle rejection. I know that it hurts but if you want to become a real PUA and succesfull with many women than you should know how to deal with it. If you can't handle being rejected by HB10's, then focus on HB8's.

Its all about reproduction.. good looks do not mean offspring survival so they are a minor fact.

I used to think looks matter as much (or almost as much to women than to men) but i saw myself (good-looking) screwing over and over and ugly guys geting a lot of girls....i started to think. Serious dude, i dont know what world u live, but in mine Alphas get the girls all the time, period.

And now if u think about evolution and biology it ALL makes sense, it is the same way in ALMOST mammals (not matriarchal) males => go for the best looking females; females => prefer the most dominant males.

IMHO u are the one that dont wanna see the "ugly truth". I can be wrong, but you dont seem the most confident person there is. If ur not getting results just work harder to get better man!

Best of Lucks !

Looks matter. But "good looking" is very subjective. If you shower, shave, smell good, have fresh breath, get a cool hairstyle, dress well and have confident body language - then you will probably be considered good looking by girls. It's true that physical beauty (tall, athletic, nice features) gives you a great advantage. But it still can not substitude having an attractive personality

Oh, and my pretty girlfriend of 3 years broke up with me when i was 21. 6 weeks later she is with someone else... and i believe him to be LESS good looking then myself... oh but guess what, he has better job, nice car, doesnt live with his parents, amoung other DHVs.

You getting the point now ?

Looks only matter at extreme ends of the spectrum (large disparities in looks or extremely good/bad looking) or if everything else is equal (two guys otherwise equal, better looking guy gets the girl).

Of course, when you're new, it appears that looks matter a LOT because most everyone around you is equal in skill. So the better looking guy seems to always get the girl. But put a tall good looking AFC up against an average guy who knows what he's doing.

It's like fighting. 100 lbs bigger usually makes a big difference in a street fight, right? Then who would you bet on if you put a 150lbs MMA fighter Vs a 250 lbs random dude off the street?

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Have a question for me? Post it to the forum and then PM me the link and i'll reply with my 2 cents.

OK, I read all the posts on this topic and came to the following conclusion. The starter of this thread has no idea what being a PUA is. A PUA is a pickup artist. All the material in the community is designed in order to be succesful in picking up a girl. It doesn't tell you how to keep a relationship going, which is clearly your problem. You know how to pick up a HB but you are not capable to keep her interest for a long period of time. Don't blame the PUA community for that as it was never intended for long-term relationships. Blame yourself for starting to bore the shit out of the HB after a while.

And that's exactly why you should improve your inner game, canned material can only take you so far.. if you want to succeed in a long term relationshop try improving every aspect of your life.

Of course, if you pick her up at the club with routines and the following dates are based on routines you will ultimately run out of funny lines and interesting routines. YOU need to be interesting/funny/confident not your lines and I assure you that you will see the difference.

And stop fucking listening to other people. You are who you say you are not who someone else says you are.

I know a guy that goes in the same club all the time, he is like 5' with no sense of fashion, looking worse than 90% of the men in the club, but he always approaches girls ... everytime I see him there he is talking to some girl
As for me, I'm waaay better looking than him and have only talked to 2 girls in the same club. So in your opinion, who do you think got more closes? me or him?

Your negative attitude is uglier than you......I hope. If you are that bent out of shape you need to chill out. I see butt ugly dudes with cute girls often. Lose the defeatist attitude and work on improving yourself.

You dont need any nasty remarks. You sound upset enough. You are obv here to improve and get better with women. Good looking men will have the upper hand at first sight but a more interesting & intiguing personality will often defeat that (unless she happens to be a shallow slut). Would you rather date a stupid and bitchy 9 or a funny & positive 7? I know Id hate the bitch. Id want to initially fuck her and talk to her first, but the 7 does have the ability to blow her out of the water.

Keep improving and your powers will grow. Work on becoming positive and really feeling that way about yourself.

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Fuji hit it right on the head.
My money goes on the lightweight.

Fuji hit the nail on the head.
My moneys going on the lightweight

We have saying: It's better to be beautiful and smart than ugly and stupid.

Self pity will get you nowhere, start saving money on prostitutes (as suggested) or be a man and start acting.

PS. I have seen tremendous number of HB's 8-10 with average looking guys (overweight, baldness, shitty clothing), just to let you know how wrong you are.

Looks are a good excuse to have. It's a lot easier to blame all of your failures with women on your looks, than it is to take the blame yourself.

Well, even on dating websites I've tried every possible trick or routine, that I've found here or elsewhere and got no replies.
Still "whazzup bb. wanna chat?" with a good looking guy's picture does the magic.

Tricks and routines are really bad terminology for it. We all us them for awhile but the idea is to understand what makes them work. The psychology behind them the impact they have on women. That will lead you to a mentality where you sense the right things to do rather than perform some routines. It's a process and takes time, determination, and effort. Every time you do fail try and analyze what could have been done differently. Even posture, expression, clothes, etc.

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